RAVELCO THREAD

[Claasicdrive]

A 4-digit code is all that is needed to order replacement caps? That would indicate there are only about ~ 9999 combinations. HHHmmmm.........

i hope you are not a business/STEM major...It's 10000 not 9999

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[SexyRexy]

A 4-digit code is all that is needed to order replacement caps? That would indicate there are only about ~ 9999 combinations. HHHmmmm.........

No, not really. Just states there are only 10,000 units out there. Once he sells more than 10k, they'll have 5 digit SNs.

And yes, as @Eighty stated, if alphanumeric are used... it would be a lot more.

 

[Eighty]

No, not really. Just states there are only 10,000 units out there. Once he sells more than 10k, they'll have 5 digit SNs.

And yes, as @Eighty stated, if alphanumeric are used... it would be a lot more.

I may have worded my statement poorly. He made it sound like this was a "code" for the plug (not a serial number). The code ties back to their system, so they can create a new plug with matching combos in the future.

 

[Daniel J]

i hope you are not a business/STEM major...It's 10000 not 9999

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Dude, do you actually INTEND to troll everyone's comments on this board? Pretty sure even a STEM guy would say "about ~ 9999" and "10,000" combinations are not contradictory. Maybe an English major can help us out...............

 

[SexyRexy]

Dude, do you actually INTEND to troll everyone's comments on this board? Pretty sure even a STEM guy would say "about ~ 9999" and "10,000" combinations are not contradictory. Maybe an English major can help us out...............

Yeah, man... he's our resident troll. #stayclaasy

 

[Porkie]

He said there are more than 100,000 combinations (probably at least one more combination that you didn't figure, like "all open"). But yes, you'd need to have a bag with as many as 100,000 caps in it. And every time you blow a fuse, replace it and try a different cap.
Each system has a 4-digit serial number on it (for reordering replacement caps).

so, you're keeping the TRX now?

 

[Johnkn]

BTW, in order to provide an additional cap, the code, a copy of your drivers license, and a copy of your sales/installation receipt are all needed and have to be send back to Ravelco, only they do it, not the installers..

When Chuck installed mine we discussed the key chain couplers and he mentioned that Victorinox (Swiss Army knife) was amoung the best. All stainless, don’t break and made in Switzerland. I purchased 3 from Amazon for ~$14 each, they arrived in their genuine packaging.

Also, the vertical installation that Chuck originally did for me was actually tucked up higher than the pic directly above. You could not see it unless your head was within a few inches of the floor.


Overall perfect experience for me...


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[jonny_pockets]

Who gives a fuck. All this bickering. If you don’t like this product or another one then you don’t buy it. Everyone wants to police everyone else’s money on here. If someone wants to pay 10k over sticker good for them. If someone wants to put SLP’s instead of a full exhaust system, good for them. Idk why people get so consumed on what others are doing. A thief will steal whatever they want if they really want it but if you want to deter them by installing this then go for it, we can all afford to spend $700 on here. If you wanna put the stickers on then put them on, hell you might deter someone and pick up 10-15hp for each sticker you put on as well.

 

[Johnkn]

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose? If I am a thief, all I need to do is get a cap that fits all?.
There are 16 pins involved, so just a rough calculation, there are 65,536 possible combinations with the pins.

There is no “master” cap that fits all..


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[Eighty]

so, you're keeping the TRX now?

Yep, I passed on the Rebel. Just couldn't imagine myself starting it up every morning and wishing I had kept the TRX.

 

[TReX-RAM]

Who gives a fuck. All this bickering. If you don’t like this product or another one then you don’t buy it. Everyone wants to police everyone else’s money on here. If someone wants to pay 10k over sticker good for them. If someone wants to put SLP’s instead of a full exhaust system, good for them. Idk why people get so consumed on what others are doing. A thief will steal whatever they want if they really want it but if you want to deter them by installing this then go for it, we can all afford to spend $700 on here. If you wanna put the stickers on then put them on, hell you might deter someone and pick up 10-15hp for each sticker you put on as well.

There is a limit though right??? You CANNOT (repeat) CANNOT de-tune your damn truck for crying out load!!!

 

[Tom488]

A 4-digit code is all that is needed to order replacement caps? That would indicate there are only about ~ 9999 combinations. HHHmmmm.........

No - those are serial numbers. Each serial number corresponds to a particular plug config, such as:

pin 3 to pin 6, and pin12 to pin 15

The ~100K combinations isn't really accurate, because if I understand correctly, there are only 5 wires inside the wire loom - two circuits, and a free-standing ground.

So with 16 pins, there are 15*16/2 combinations for circuit #1 (1-2, or 1-3, or 1-4, etc... up to 1-16 - then 2-3, or 2-4, or 2-5, etc). We can't count 2-1, because that's the same as 1-2.

That's a total possibility of 120 combinations for the first circuit. Now we figure the combinations for the 2nd circuit, but now with only 14 pins left, because we used 2 pins for circuit #1 already. So that's 13*14/2, or
91 possible combinations for that.

Now we multiply those two together... 120 * 91 is 10,920 possible combinations. Now we throw in the 5th wire. Well, there are 12 possibilities for that one... that brings us up to 131,040 unique possibilities.


BUT... that 5th wire is just a dummy/red herring/not needed. It's there to possibly blow a fuse if it's connected to the wrong circuit via a different plug, or doing the hokey-pokey with a test light. In reality, there are only 10,920 potential combinations to try before getting the right one. Still plenty good enough...

 

[jonny_pockets]

There is a limit though right??? You CANNOT (repeat) CANNOT de-tune your damn truck for crying out load!!!

That agree with lol. Can’t you just pull a couple spark plugs out and it’ll be slower??

 

[Eighty]

No - those are serial numbers. Each serial number corresponds to a particular plug config, such as:

pin 3 to pin 6, and pin12 to pin 15

The ~100K combinations isn't really accurate, because if I understand correctly, there are only 5 wires inside the wire loom - two circuits, and a free-standing ground.

So with 16 pins, there are 15*16/2 combinations for circuit #1 (1-2, or 1-3, or 1-4, etc... up to 1-16 - then 2-3, or 2-4, or 2-5, etc). We can't count 2-1, because that's the same as 1-2.

That's a total possibility of 120 combinations for the first circuit. Now we figure the combinations for the 2nd circuit, but now with only 14 pins left, because we used 2 pins for circuit #1 already. So that's 13*14/2, or
91 possible combinations for that.

Now we multiply those two together... 120 * 91 is 10,920 possible combinations. Now we throw in the 5th wire. Well, there are 12 possibilities for that one... that brings us up to 131,040 unique possibilities.


BUT... that 5th wire is just a dummy/red herring/not needed. It's there to possibly blow a fuse if it's connected to the wrong circuit via a different plug, or doing the hokey-pokey with a test light. In reality, there are only 10,920 potential combinations to try before getting the right one. Still plenty good enough...

I think I would argue that the 5th wire might have 12 possibilities. It could have been used in any pin to make the ground connection with the starter or fuel pump (assuming that the ground connection is completed at the mounting location from the port to the frame). Maybe?

 

[ChemLab]

Who gives a fuck. All this bickering. If you don’t like this product or another one then you don’t buy it. Everyone wants to police everyone else’s money on here. If someone wants to pay 10k over sticker good for them. If someone wants to put SLP’s instead of a full exhaust system, good for them. Idk why people get so consumed on what others are doing. A thief will steal whatever they want if they really want it but if you want to deter them by installing this then go for it, we can all afford to spend $700 on here. If you wanna put the stickers on then put them on, hell you might deter someone and pick up 10-15hp for each sticker you put on as well.

I was really close to posting something similar. Damn.

 

[Johnkn]

16 pins into 5 wires = 524160 combinations.....


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[Tom488]

16 pins into 5 wires = 524160 combinations.....


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I'm basing my assumptions on the one post from another site where a guy disassembled his Ravelco, combined with what wires Chuck told me he spliced into. It may be used in some applications, but on ours, it doesn't seem to be used (don't really want to go into specifics on how this is installed... OPSEC, and all that)

And even if so, your calculations assume that 1-to-2 and 2-to-1 are distinct combinations. They're not.

 

[Daniel J]

Fair and reasonable analysis of all the possibilities from various posters. Even if any of us knew for absolute certain what their methodology was, we wouldn’t want to post it just to help keep the nefarious types guessing. Worst case it is 10,000 unique combinations, which speaking just for myself, is still enough that I am going to get one. Hopefully it is more along the lines of 100,000+ as they claim.

 

[BlueTRX]

Getting mine installed Friday after two rescheduled attempts due to cold weather.
Of course it's going to f*cking rain Friday

 

[Claasicdrive]

I may have worded my statement poorly. He made it sound like this was a "code" for the plug (not a serial number). The code ties back to their system, so they can create a new plug with matching combos in the future.

California and Arizona Ravelco answered me:
"We've sold over 5,000,000 units. Clearly there are not that many combinations for the number of pins, so there are duplicates, but not enough that someone will have the plug that matches your friend's vehicle. "
All Ravelco have 4 number codes..no letters

of course no thief will carry 10000 plugs ( not 9999) but there are duplicates outthere...about 500 of each combination