Road to 1000whp - Dynos included

[10mpg]

I didn't know he posted anything. Yes in fact I just picked it up 3 hours ago. It dynoed 1063 hp & 1050 torque at the wheels on 93 so I guess it would feel similar to your 1100 hp truck. Amazing enough the truck gets 2mpg on the highway better than before. I did 17.2 on the way back running around 70. I'm guessing that's due to a blower with less drag?? Start to finish he had the truck done in 2 1/2 weeks with the holiday.
There's so many Ripa haters on here and this is my 3rd truck with him and I haven't seen anyone on here get what I got as timely as I did with the net results I did on the first shot. Steve at Ripa absolutely knows his stuff.
We did a 426, cam, ported heads, whipple, chiller, headers. The only way I could get more power was to remove the blower and do straight turbos (est + 150 hp) however it requires a stall converter and because I use the truck for towing I didn't want to mess with the transmission. I regret it. The truck has way more power than traction for sure. I didn't do any timed runs runs with it. Basically there just a function of hp but how you set up the truck and how experienced your at launching it so to have me do it and post numbers is pointless. I'm guessing done right it will run in the 10's

It was a silver truck on a hub dyno. That was you?

Just to be clear, probably 90% of guys are using roller dynos for their testing. I unfortunately don't have a hub dyno near me that I can use, but your 1063 on a hub dyno eliminated all of the powertrain loss from large tires, traction, etc.

You need to go put it on a roller dyno to get a number that lines up with mine.

 

[RobsTRX]

It was a silver truck on a hub dyno. That was you?

Just to be clear, probably 90% of guys are using roller dynos for their testing. I unfortunately don't have a hub dyno near me that I can use, but your 1063 on a hub dyno eliminated all of the powertrain loss from large tires, traction, etc.

You need to go put it on a roller dyno to get a number that lines up with mine.

You asked me how it ran and I took the time to give you a fair shake down of what I got and how I felt about it because your worried about how your truck will be on 93.
I knew this was coming but just to be clear I really don't need to do anything. Nor do you need to use a hub dyno.
I'm not doing the forum tit for tat thing. Besides in order to use a roller correctly you must run the tires well past there rated speed and i'm not interested in taking off a fender with a blown tire so I can be correct for the members here. Then with a roller dyno there tire slippage. What I have is accurate even as it may not be absolutely in sinc with yours.
The thing rips. If you have some sort of hub verses roller conversion please use it.
I'm very pleased with the product I received from Ripa. I paid a fair price for loads of direct experience he has from doing more TRX's than anyone and got it done on time as promised. Less than 3 weeks.
You also must consider the parts I have were chosen for the pump gas set up. I don't know how what you have will convert to gas. I recall you had a portion of the hp curve you didn't like. Mabey it may correct itself when going to gas verses e85. I not going to pretend I know about this stuff. That's why I hired Steve.

 

[10mpg]

You asked me how it ran and I took the time to give you a fair shake down of what I got and how I felt about it because your worried about how your truck will be on 93.
I knew this was coming but just to be clear I really don't need to do anything. Nor do you need to use a hub dyno.
I'm not doing the forum tit for tat thing. Besides in order to use a roller correctly you must run the tires well past there rated speed and i'm not interested in taking off a fender with a blown tire so I can be correct for the members here. Then with a roller dyno there tire slippage. What I have is accurate even as it may not be absolutely in sinc with yours.
The thing rips. If you have some sort of hub verses roller conversion please use it.
I'm very pleased with the product I received from Ripa. I paid a fair price for loads of direct experience he has from doing more TRX's than anyone and got it done on time as promised. Less than 3 weeks.
You also must consider the parts I have were chosen for the pump gas set up. I don't know how what you have will convert to gas. I recall you had a portion of the hp curve you didn't like. Mabey it may correct itself when going to gas verses e85. I not going to pretend I know about this stuff. That's why I hired Steve.

And I appreciate that, I do. I'm just saying hub dyno vs roller dyno, the numbers are not comparable. That's all. It drives good on 93, that is good, and actually surprising to me. But I also have not tried 93 since I got the 426, I've been on E85 only for almost the entire time I've owned the truck.

The part of the curve that was problematic to me was not making power all the way to 7K RPM, I stayed on stock heads and didn't port them.

 

[RobsTRX]

And I appreciate that, I do. I'm just saying hub dyno vs roller dyno, the numbers are not comparable. That's all. It drives good on 93, that is good, and actually surprising to me. But I also have not tried 93 since I got the 426, I've been on E85 only for almost the entire time I've owned the truck.

The part of the curve that was problematic to me was not making power all the way to 7K RPM, I stayed on stock heads and didn't port them.

Hey as far as hub verses roller, what could we be speaking about +- 50 hp?. It's not a big thing. Bottom line is no matter how you look at it my truck makes 1000 RWHP on pump gas on a set up that's ment to take it. That was my goal. 1000 RWHP
This where it pays to use a guy that has done it over and over. Be sure he has done the same thing you did and saw the difference when he put on ported heads and then he carried the knowledge forward and it became part of the package he does.
He also has different cams for different fuels for how far the customer wants to go power wise. Be sure he knows this not because he went to harvard to study the hellcat, its because from trial and error he has experienced what works.
I saw time and time again members here trying one thing and then another to get what they want. In fact I was following a guys build with a whipple on pump gas on here and he just gave up. Going blindly into this stuff costs $$$ and then doesn't give you the results you want.
I paid a premium price but did it once moreover I got it quickly. So to all the Ripa haters on this platform I stand here telling you your ALL WORNG.
Ripa actually has a package for $25k installed that gives you 900 RWHP on pump gas that works consistently.
He changes the blower, cam, heads and headers. He has a specific grind on his cam that works. I was going to do it but I added the 426 for 150 hp and from there you can go turbo only for another 150hp.
Again he's done it, no guess work. Just be prepared to pay.
When you think about what your getting and compare it to Hennessy its a bargain.

 

[Tony@Ripatuned]

It was a silver truck on a hub dyno. That was you?

Just to be clear, probably 90% of guys are using roller dynos for their testing. I unfortunately don't have a hub dyno near me that I can use, but your 1063 on a hub dyno eliminated all of the powertrain loss from large tires, traction, etc.

You need to go put it on a roller dyno to get a number that lines up with mine.

Please stop......the hub dyno is the most accurate measurement of horsepower there. You are literally eliminating tires slip. All the driveline weight is still there.... not sure what snapple cap you got your percentages from but your definitely wrong. And every single top fuel/promod car is done on hubs.... just look up every fueltech video on youtube.

 

[10mpg]

Hey as far as hub verses roller, what could we be speaking about +- 50 hp?. It's not a big thing. Bottom line is no matter how you look at it my truck makes 1000 RWHP on pump gas on a set up that's ment to take it. That was my goal. 1000 RWHP
This where it pays to use a guy that has done it over and over. Be sure he has done the same thing you did and saw the difference when he put on ported heads and then he carried the knowledge forward and it became part of the package he does.
He also has different cams for different fuels for how far the customer wants to go power wise. Be sure he knows this not because he went to harvard to study the hellcat, its because from trial and error he has experienced what works.
I saw time and time again members here trying one thing and then another to get what they want. In fact I was following a guys build with a whipple on pump gas on here and he just gave up. Going blindly into this stuff costs $$$ and then doesn't give you the results you want.
I paid a premium price but did it once moreover I got it quickly. So to all the Ripa haters on this platform I stand here telling you your ALL WORNG.
Ripa actually has a package for $25k installed that gives you 900 RWHP on pump gas that works consistently.
He changes the blower, cam, heads and headers. He has a specific grind on his cam that works. I was going to do it but I added the 426 for 150 hp and from there you can go turbo only for another 150hp.
Again he's done it, no guess work. Just be prepared to pay.
When you think about what your getting and compare it to Hennessy its a bargain.

Hennessey is for rich guys who want a plug and play solution and a cool badge, so yeah, anything we've done is leaps and bounds ahead of that.

I honestly wanted to do a hub vs roller dyno comparison, there's just not a hub dyno in/around Richmond. The thing with the TRX is, it has to have the worst roller dyno numbers out there because of the tire size. You can get more accurate numbers if you take it on a set of street tires (which I also don't have) - I did my final numbers on 37's that were hanging off the roller because they were too wide - so not only was I getting more drivetrain loss, I was also not getting full contact patch on the roller from them hanging off the sides. Even my tuner told the guys to leave the room because it was scary enough to warrant it.

Basically, the more drivetrain loss there is, the wider the horsepower gap will be between a hub and roller dyno. Torque also looks a lot better on a hub dyno because of the same reason.

I'm not telling you or saying you should do anything, but if you have the opportunity to throw it on another dyno, I'd like to see the number comparison so you can be the one to show the difference in numbers between the two

 

[10mpg]

Please stop......the hub dyno is the most accurate measurement of horsepower there. You are literally eliminating tires slip. All the driveline weight is still there.... not sure what snapple cap you got your percentages from but your definitely wrong. And every single top fuel/promod car is done on hubs.... just look up every fueltech video on youtube.

I think we posted replies at the same time, and no I'm not going to stop...this is my thread, but I'm also not trying to start anything. I'm just stating the obvious that you cannot measure the two trucks on different types of dynos when one completely eliminates the massive amount of drivetrain loss that plagues the TRX. You are right that it IS the most accurate, there's just a lot of people who don't have access to a hub dyno because more shops use dynojets or mustang dynos in general. If I had a hub dyno in Richmond I'd take it up there today to run mine on it.

 

[Tony@Ripatuned]

And I appreciate that, I do. I'm just saying hub dyno vs roller dyno, the numbers are not comparable. That's all. It drives good on 93, that is good, and actually surprising to me. But I also have not tried 93 since I got the 426, I've been on E85 only for almost the entire time I've owned the truck.

The part of the curve that was problematic to me was not making power all the way to 7K RPM, I stayed on stock heads and didn't port them.

Please stop talking about dynos.

And I appreciate that, I do. I'm just saying hub dyno vs roller dyno, the numbers are not comparable. That's all. It drives good on 93, that is good, and actually surprising to me. But I also have not tried 93 since I got the 426, I've been on E85 only for almost the entire time I've owned the truck.

The part of the curve that was problematic to me was not making power all the way to 7K RPM, I stayed on stock heads and didn't port them.

Since you're a guru on dynos. Explain this one and you tell me which dyno is accurate.

White trackhawk 1440 to the tires on hub dyno = runs 8.62 @164 in the 1/4

Black trackhawk makes 18xx whp on Rollers at another shop....never better than 9.0 at 156

There's something called correction factors. Most reputable shop calibrate they're dyno correctly.

 

[Tony@Ripatuned]

Hey as far as hub verses roller, what could we be speaking about +- 50 hp?. It's not a big thing. Bottom line is no matter how you look at it my truck makes 1000 RWHP on pump gas on a set up that's ment to take it. That was my goal. 1000 RWHP
This where it pays to use a guy that has done it over and over. Be sure he has done the same thing you did and saw the difference when he put on ported heads and then he carried the knowledge forward and it became part of the package he does.
He also has different cams for different fuels for how far the customer wants to go power wise. Be sure he knows this not because he went to harvard to study the hellcat, its because from trial and error he has experienced what works.
I saw time and time again members here trying one thing and then another to get what they want. In fact I was following a guys build with a whipple on pump gas on here and he just gave up. Going blindly into this stuff costs $$$ and then doesn't give you the results you want.
I paid a premium price but did it once moreover I got it quickly. So to all the Ripa haters on this platform I stand here telling you your ALL WORNG.
Ripa actually has a package for $25k installed that gives you 900 RWHP on pump gas that works consistently.
He changes the blower, cam, heads and headers. He has a specific grind on his cam that works. I was going to do it but I added the 426 for 150 hp and from there you can go turbo only for another 150hp.
Again he's done it, no guess work. Just be prepared to pay.
When you think about what your getting and compare it to Hennessy its a bargain.

I wouldn't waste your with this one. This is why I hate forums... People hide behind screen names meanwhile this guy's on Facebook selling his truck at the moment lol

 

[10mpg]

I wouldn't waste your with this one. This is why I hate forums... People hide behind screen names meanwhile this guy's on Facebook selling his truck at the moment lol

I'm not hiding anything. I'm actively selling my truck on this forum as well. Rob posted on my thread and I asked him if that was his truck that you guys posted on Facebook. I've been one of the most active members on this forum detailing all of the rounds of mods I've gone through over the 2 years I've had the truck to help other guys who are thinking about doing similar things, how to avoid spending money they don't need to spend, etc.

 

[TC247]

I wouldn't waste your with this one. This is why I hate forums... People hide behind screen names meanwhile this guy's on Facebook selling his truck at the moment lol

Why are you on here attacking him ? Is this how you talk to your customers ?

I wouldn't waste your with this one. This is why I hate forums... People hide behind screen names meanwhile this guy's on Facebook selling his truck at the moment lol

I would think that someone representing a business would use more of an informative response to posts rather than a combative response.

 

[Tony@Ripatuned]

I think we posted replies at the same time, and no I'm not going to stop...this is my thread, but I'm also not trying to start anything. I'm just stating the obvious that you cannot measure the two trucks on different types of dynos when one completely eliminates the massive amount of drivetrain loss that plagues the TRX. You are right that it IS the most accurate, there's just a lot of people who don't have access to a hub dyno because more shops use dynojets or mustang dynos in general. If I had a hub dyno in Richmond I'd take it up there today to run mine on it.

You have to bolt the hub dyno to the wheel and add the weight of the tire. Do you know you can load up a dyno? There are calculations for every possible scenario you are talking about....just to try and bury this a little quicker. That truck was dynoed in the same room as a mustang dyno...we have both...and both are calibrated ro read the same. We choose the hub dyno for the trx because it's safer as the trx's barely fit on the mustang, and 90% of the guys out there (probably a snapple statistic) are running the stock tires or mudders that aren't speed rated. Another safety concern.

 

[Tony@Ripatuned]

Why are you on here attacking him ? Is this how you talk to your customers ?

I would think that someone representing a business would use more of an informative response to posts rather than a combative response.

It's how I defend my customers. The guy is literally trying to tell him his dyno numbers are fake because he made more than him. Mean while these same conversations are going on in other platforms.

 

[Crunch12268]

It's how I defend my customers. The guy is literally trying to tell him his dyno numbers are fake because he made more than him. Mean while these same conversations are going on in other platforms.

Agree with TC247, what the hell "triggered" you? 10mpg was just saying that he ran on a wheel dyno and to get fair comparisons in dyno results he would have to do the same. 10mpg didn't claim to be an expert you implied that and 1 satified "buddy" of yours doesn't overshadow the hundreds of disastified customers or set some sort of new trend. I don't deny the fact you and your team know what you're doing but there is more to a sucessful business model than being one of a hundred HC tuners that know what they're doing.

 

[Ripatuned]

I'm not hiding anything. I'm actively selling my truck on this forum as well. Rob posted on my thread and I asked him if that was his truck that you guys posted on Facebook. I've been one of the most active members on this forum detailing all of the rounds of mods I've gone through over the 2 years I've had the truck to help other guys who are thinking about doing similar things, how to avoid spending money they don't need to spend, etc.

I have a proposition for you, could be a great value add for your sale.

I’ll let you put your truck on my hub dyno for free to see what kind of numbers it makes. You’ll be able to properly dyno it in this is stance and get a full pull on 6th gear (1 to 1 ratio).

Also keep in mind that the worlds fastest TRX is tuned by us and is done on a hub dyno. The numbers are real, period.

 

[TC247]

It's how I defend my customers. The guy is literally trying to tell him his dyno numbers are fake because he made more than him. Mean while these same conversations are going on in other platforms.

I understand where you are coming from. Just my opinion but keeping your responses professional and informative would be better. Robs account of the work he’s had done with you is good advertisement for you. You posting on here in a professional manner will just add to your future business.

 

[Tony@Ripatuned]

Agree with TC247, what the hell "triggered" you? 10mpg was just saying that he ran on a wheel dyno and to get comporable comparisons in dyno results he would have to do the same. 10mpg didn't claim to be an expert you implied that and 1 satified "buddy" of yours doesn't overshadow the hundreds of disastified customers or set some sort of new trend. I don't deny the fact you and your team know what you're doing but there is more to a sucessful business model than being one of a hundred HC tuners that know what they're doing.

Triggered is every single person who , was just that "triggered" by my reply. This is how it went someone posted their numbers, someone who made less "got triggered" and searched for a reason to discredit it. They chose the dyno style......which is 100% invalid to use as an argument. After I stated why it's invalid, others chimed in to tell me I'm attacking someone...no I'm defending my customer. Then I have to have people try and tell me about how to run a business? Why? Because I told you you're wrong about hub dynos?

 

[Crunch12268]

Triggered is every single person who , was just that "triggered" by my reply. This is how it went someone posted they're numbers, some one who made less "got triggered" and searched for a reason to discredit it. They chose the dyno style......which is 100% invalid to use as an argument. After I stated why it's invalid, others chimed in to tell me I'm attacking someone...no I'm defending my customer. Then I have to have people try and tell me about how to run a business? Why? Because I told you you're wrong about hub dynos?

He did not claim they were wrong, he simply said the 2 are not apples to apples. Didn't discredit anything. Am I missing something?

 

[RedEyeTRX]

I paid a premium price but did it once moreover I got it quickly. So to all the Ripa haters on this platform I stand here telling you your ALL WORNG.

Not "all wrong", people on this forum had legitimate complaints about pulleys, CS and lack of communication. Your experience is your experience, it does not make everyone else wrong.

At least we all got to see the smart ass, condescending attitude (that created all the haters), right from Ripa themselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Crunch12268]

By the way, glad you stopped by @10mpg it's been boring around here without you