"Insanely Fast Raptor R" ?

[KnightMare]

Betting against you on that prediction. The ford preview does not use the word power. Not even a hint. They use the word fast. It's clear they only want their boys saying FAST. This isn't their normal best, best, best approach. They will push weight, nimble, quick, speed, they will shove FAST down our throats. I can't see this approach if they brought 800 HP.

It terms of winning mind share they only need to be >702. Anything beyond that is merely academic.

Ford didn't say the Bronco Raptor would be the most powerful Bronco, Ford just teased "Hold on to your butts."

But if Ford doesn't make this at least 797HP, someone needs to be fired. They know Ram has a 800hp engine they can easily drop in the truck a year later. Or would Ford turn into Can-am and make a Raptor RR SMH

 

[Dudebro]

Don't get me wrong, the idea behind a V8 in the raptor is awesome but I am really hoping puts emphasis on the total package. Increased power, increased speed, increased braking, and increased offroad capability.

A redeye TRX would be cool but power is not the limiting factor in a TRX, it's suspension and brakes are. I know not everyone offroads their TRX but there are a lot of improvements to be made outside of just sheer power.

I'm hoping the Raptor R pushes Ram to make a TRX with 37s, better brakes, and 3.0+ shocks so they can really beat Ford at their own game.

 

[EricnotwithaK]

So on the 18th the blue oval will spit out the bone stuck on its throat and answer RAM'S TRX.

The Raptor R will finally show its face and Ford says its "insanely fast".

Can anyone guess how fast it will be?

Articles that I’ve read have placed the Mustang’s GT-500 engine in the Raptor R.
As with the TRX’s Hellcat engine being minutely detuned when stacked against the challenger and charger’s 6.2L block it is therefore fair to surmise that Ford will do the same with the Raptor R’s “borrowed” GT-500 block. I would heavily bet that Ford would never allow a more powerful and better performing engine to go into a pick up truck Raptor R over a GT-500. I’d guess hp and torque figures will both be in the 700+ range but neither power numbers will break the 800 mark.

 

[foremanrd]

It's like the ford GT. I've never seen one in person and probably never will. Whats the point if everyone that wants one can't even get one?

I had wanted a TRX once. I couldn't get one scheduled for build. Sad reality is, there are folks that ordered trucks and RAM couldn't meet their customers needs either. I cancelled my order after 5 months for that very reason. Since they refused to build the truck, I'm assuming parts availability issues since recently, I believe we went like nearly 2 weeks with a whopping 4 trucks built. I didn't want to risk a supercharger issue or otherwise, under warranty but not able to be fixed for the same flipping reason. They lost me when they decided to prioritize a late released SE truck over nearly every other build, likely causing the shortage. Freaking amazing planning by a bunch of clowns that probably haven't ever even sat in the truck. Then I started thinking about the full time AWD, and from there my thoughts about the design and the why's started me seeing red... I'm not into replacing tires quite as often as I expect that design would force.... now I have a Raptor 37 and I'm not remotely concerned. As far as ADM for the R, it's a similar game as seen with the TRX. Guys order this magic number, like VIKTRX, and noone has any issue with what seems pretty obvious to me, and the common guy can't get his built while these clowns decide or ask for help with what truck should they actually recieve out of this stash of 2-3....

 

[wac45]

I had wanted a TRX once. I couldn't get one scheduled for build. Sad reality is, there are folks that ordered trucks and RAM couldn't meet their customers needs either. I cancelled my order after 5 months for that very reason. Since they refused to build the truck, I'm assuming parts availability issues since I believe we went like nearly 2 weeks with a whopping 4 trucks built; I didn't want to risk a supercharger issue or otherwise, under warranty but not able to be fixed for the same flipping reason. They lost me when they decided to prioritize a late released SE truck over nearly every other build, likely causing the shortage. Freaking amazing planning by a bunch of clowns that probably haven't ever even sat in the truck. Then I started thinking about the full time AWD, and from there my thoughts about the design and the why's started me seeing red... I'm not into replacing tires quite as often as I expect that design would force.... now I have a Raptor 37 and I'm not remotely concerned. As far as ADM for the R, it's a similar game as seen with the TRX. Guys order this magic number, like VIKTRX, and noone has any issue with what seems pretty obvious to me, and the common guy can't get his built while these clowns decide or ask for help with what truck should they actually buy....

I agree with you that the build order process is messed up and No one can figure out how the build order is determined. That is the biggest cause of frustration in the ordering process. However I think if you ordered one you would get it. I had to wait 8 months but it finally showed up and I am glad I waited.

The difference with the R will be restricted allocations which will equate to higher dealer admins. The TRX did not have any allocation restrictions except for the limited edition models. At the end of the day what matters is that the buyer is happy with whatever truck he/she chose to buy. If so the long wait frustrations fade away.

 

[AZDinoPwr]

Articles that I’ve read have placed the Mustang’s GT-500 engine in the Raptor R.
As with the TRX’s Hellcat engine being minutely detuned when stacked against the challenger and charger’s 6.2L block it is therefore fair to surmise that Ford will do the same with the Raptor R’s “borrowed” GT-500 block. I would heavily bet that Ford would never allow a more powerful and better performing engine to go into a pick up truck Raptor R over a GT-500. I’d guess hp and torque figures will both be in the 700+ range but neither power numbers will break the 800 mark.

The engine wasn’t detuned going into the TRX according to Stellantis (and based on comparing the actually stock tune against a charger or challenger hellcat). It simply makes less power because it’s sucking air through a more restrictive straw.

Ford could end up with the same problem but I honestly doubt they care too much about the HP number as long as it’s higher than the TRX and the 0-60 with the shorter gears and bigger tires is under 3.7/3.8. As it’s been said, they can pulley it up or down if they want to in order to get whatever performance they want. That same motor makes 900HP pullied down in the GT500KR. They have plenty of room to adjust.

 

[Goosed]

No BFG tire measures correct anyway. A 37” BFG all terrain on my wrangler measures 36.1”. And they are light tires. This will be faster due to 4:10’s, lighter weight overall, and due to massive ADM the buyers will have to settle for a grande mocha vs. venti, even further reducing weight.

 

[EricnotwithaK]

The engine wasn’t detuned going into the TRX according to Stellantis (and based on comparing the actually stock tune against a charger or challenger hellcat). It simply makes less power because it’s sucking air through a more restrictive straw.

Ford could end up with the same problem but I honestly doubt they care too much about the HP number as long as it’s higher than the TRX and the 0-60 with the shorter gears and bigger tires is under 3.7/3.8. As it’s been said, they can pulley it up or down if they want to in order to get whatever performance they want. That same motor makes 900HP pullied down in the GT500KR. They have plenty of room to adjust.

Agree with you that the 5.2L GT500 engine’s power is throttled. Even the ones that are fitted into the mustangs. Their are “ponies that are being corralled” in those engines. Pun intended ;-).
That being said all we have to go by is logic and what similar manufactures are doing/ have done. What seems to make sense, to me, is that firstly Ford is absolutely not making a “special” engine for the Raptor R and that the GT500 block in the R makes total sense. Kinda like what dodge did with the Hellcat.
The other conclusion I am coming to is that there is no way executives in the board room at Ford would allow a higher output, more powerful, superior hp and torque engine to go into a pick up truck over one of their top performing sports car/coupes. To me, it just doesn’t seem likely or makes sense.

 

[ZTRX]

I had wanted a TRX once. I couldn't get one scheduled for build. Sad reality is, there are folks that ordered trucks and RAM couldn't meet their customers needs either. I cancelled my order after 5 months for that very reason. Since they refused to build the truck, I'm assuming parts availability issues since recently, I believe we went like nearly 2 weeks with a whopping 4 trucks built. I didn't want to risk a supercharger issue or otherwise, under warranty but not able to be fixed for the same flipping reason. They lost me when they decided to prioritize a late released SE truck over nearly every other build, likely causing the shortage. Freaking amazing planning by a bunch of clowns that probably haven't ever even sat in the truck. Then I started thinking about the full time AWD, and from there my thoughts about the design and the why's started me seeing red... I'm not into replacing tires quite as often as I expect that design would force.... now I have a Raptor 37 and I'm not remotely concerned. As far as ADM for the R, it's a similar game as seen with the TRX. Guys order this magic number, like VIKTRX, and noone has any issue with what seems pretty obvious to me, and the common guy can't get his built while these clowns decide or ask for help with what truck should they actually recieve out of this stash of 2-3....

Hahahaha u got the shittier truck bcuz u got impatient. Serves u right dumbass!

 

[AZDinoPwr]

Agree with you that the 5.2L GT500 engine’s power is throttled. Even the ones that are fitted into the mustangs. Their are “ponies that are being corralled” in those engines. Pun intended ;-).
That being said all we have to go by is logic and what similar manufactures are doing/ have done. What seems to make sense, to me, is that firstly Ford is absolutely not making a “special” engine for the Raptor R and that the GT500 block in the R makes total sense. Kinda like what dodge did with the Hellcat.
The other conclusion I am coming to is that there is no way executives in the board room at Ford would allow a higher output, more powerful, superior hp and torque engine to go into a pick up truck over one of their top performing sports car/coupes. To me, it just doesn’t seem likely or makes sense.

Ford makes their highest profits through their trucks so I’m sure the execs have no problem putting whatever HP they want in a truck as long as it made them money… even if that money is via bragging rights advertisement.

I mean their mustang and pickup put out over 100hp more than their exotic car.

 

[TRX1]

Ford has great engines for sure. But no Hellcat. Unless they frankestein the hell out of their V-8. And the time to develop and test for reliability and performance? But who knows...maybe they good the goods. Can't wait to see!

Whatever they show up with will not be a volume or driver of profit Jim Farley has tasked the "new" Ford to deliver.

I will have to disagree with you my friend. Ford has a Mexican engine and an American transmission.
TRX on the other hand has an American made engine and a German transmission.
My brother had a 37 raptor. Nothing but problems and the worst nightmare was the cam phaser and ford doesn’t warranty that anymore.
I cancelled my raptor order and ordered a TRX.
Also if you were to visit the raptor gen 3 forums you will read nothing but issues.
Ram forums: all they talk about is how fast is the truck haha and what mods we should add to it and whatever TRXs issues I read here are very simple to fix.
Sorry if I bored you with my story.

 

[Viper1500]

I had wanted a TRX once. I couldn't get one scheduled for build. Sad reality is, there are folks that ordered trucks and RAM couldn't meet their customers needs either. I cancelled my order after 5 months for that very reason. Since they refused to build the truck, I'm assuming parts availability issues since recently, I believe we went like nearly 2 weeks with a whopping 4 trucks built. I didn't want to risk a supercharger issue or otherwise, under warranty but not able to be fixed for the same flipping reason. They lost me when they decided to prioritize a late released SE truck over nearly every other build, likely causing the shortage. Freaking amazing planning by a bunch of clowns that probably haven't ever even sat in the truck. Then I started thinking about the full time AWD, and from there my thoughts about the design and the why's started me seeing red... I'm not into replacing tires quite as often as I expect that design would force.... now I have a Raptor 37 and I'm not remotely concerned. As far as ADM for the R, it's a similar game as seen with the TRX. Guys order this magic number, like VIKTRX, and noone has any issue with what seems pretty obvious to me, and the common guy can't get his built while these clowns decide or ask for help with what truck should they actually recieve out of this stash of 2-3....

I don't know how you can even compare this situation. This raptor R will be all but unobtainable. There have been lots of TRX trucks that I have seen listed even on this forum. Yes I agree the orders have been screwed up for some. But in todays world, what's not screwed up?? I wouldn't have that POS eco boost if someone gave it to me and there is no way in hell would I pay $50K ADM to get a raptor R even if there was one available. I promise you that there will NOT be one sold without a HUGE ADM.
MOST dealers won't even get one at all. This is apples and oranges....

 

[foremanrd]

Hahahaha u got the shittier truck bcuz u got impatient. Serves u right dumbass!

Sure. Brilliant comment. I imagine someone is proud of you....

 

[@JC]

I will have to disagree with you my friend. Ford has a Mexican engine and an American transmission.
TRX on the other hand has an American made engine and a German transmission.

I don't like Fords but I'm not sure why that specific point is an issue. My 392 has a Mexican engine (as did my Power Wagon) and a German transmission. Those 6.4L Mexican engines seem to work just fine...

 

[RedEyeTRX]

I had wanted a TRX once. I couldn't get one scheduled for build. Sad reality is, there are folks that ordered trucks and RAM couldn't meet their customers needs either. I cancelled my order after 5 months for that very reason. Since they refused to build the truck, I'm assuming parts availability issues since recently, I believe we went like nearly 2 weeks with a whopping 4 trucks built. I didn't want to risk a supercharger issue or otherwise, under warranty but not able to be fixed for the same flipping reason. They lost me when they decided to prioritize a late released SE truck over nearly every other build, likely causing the shortage. Freaking amazing planning by a bunch of clowns that probably haven't ever even sat in the truck. Then I started thinking about the full time AWD, and from there my thoughts about the design and the why's started me seeing red... I'm not into replacing tires quite as often as I expect that design would force.... now I have a Raptor 37 and I'm not remotely concerned. As far as ADM for the R, it's a similar game as seen with the TRX. Guys order this magic number, like VIKTRX, and noone has any issue with what seems pretty obvious to me, and the common guy can't get his built while these clowns decide or ask for help with what truck should they actually recieve out of this stash of 2-3....

So the short story is you ordered a TRX didnt like the wait and bought a Raptor instead.....okay good to know. Moving on........Or did you reorder ?

 

[RedEyeTRX]

I will have to disagree with you my friend. Ford has a Mexican engine and an American transmission.
TRX on the other hand has an American made engine and a German transmission.
My brother had a 37 raptor. Nothing but problems and the worst nightmare was the cam phaser and ford doesn’t warranty that anymore.
I cancelled my raptor order and ordered a TRX.
Also if you were to visit the raptor gen 3 forums you will read nothing but issues.
Ram forums: all they talk about is how fast is the truck haha and what mods we should add to it and whatever TRXs issues I read here are very simple to fix.
Sorry if I bored you with my story.

Pretty sure the Hellcat engine comes out of the Saltillo Plant in Coahuila Mexico.
So you have an American designed engine, built/assembled in Mexico.

 

[74norton]

Car and Driver has the TRX at sub 4.
I see the TRX going out with a red eye edition that has the last word before Ram goes to EV.

 

[FlameTRXboss22]

You guys should see how the ford fellas our bashing the TRX fam on the ford Instagram. I guess they had a lot of repressed anger from these last 2 years saying TRX killer, RIP TRX

 

[Viper1500]

You guys should see how the ford fellas our bashing the TRX fam on the ford Instagram. I guess they had a lot of repressed anger from these last 2 years saying TRX killer, RIP TRX

And none of them will ever own one..

 

[@JC]

Pretty sure the Hellcat engine comes out of the Saltillo Plant in Coahuila Mexico.
So you have an American designed engine, built/assembled in Mexico.

Well the Monroney sticker lists the engine origin as United States on the TRX, on the 392 it lists engine origin as Mexico. But the funny thing is the TRX also lists parts content as MEXICO : 32% vs my 392 sticker which shows MEXICO : 21% so now I'm even more confused...