"Insanely Fast Raptor R" ?

[JTR]

It would have been really interesting if they could have fit the GT500 7-Speed dual clutch transmission into the R build, but I think it just goes to their half ass effort to push this out and be done with it.

 

[PhoenixTRX]

It would have been really interesting if they could have fit the GT500 7-Speed dual clutch transmission into the R build, but I think it just goes to their half ass effort to push this out and be done with it.

Amidst their corporate EV focus and financial alliances, this project no doubt was a thorn. Interview w/ SVT Program Director spoke volumes, discounting the effort - molesting his beloved Gen3 TTV6 deliverable and built to appease a minority of customers.

I'm also confused by the engine choice, surely this would have sufficed

2021 Ford F-150 Supercharger Kit: 700 HP, Won’t Void Your Warranty

It'll let the 5.0-liter V8 F-150 hit 60 mph in less than five seconds.

www.thedrive.com

and already vetted.

700 vs 702hp: Buddy noted this infamous pic circulated worldwide of Sophia Loren and Jayne Mansfield. International press didn't add verbiage noting "yah but let us not forget that Sophia weighs less, arguably a better actress, speaks multiple languages, and ...."

 

[BlueTRX]

Guy here claims the R is a 4.0s 0-60.
Is this official or gossip?

 

[dinodriver]

Guy here claims the R is a 4.0s 0-60.
Is this official or gossip?

Jesus, what a painful video to watch. And could this guy be any more of a Ford fanboy, thought it was a Ford promo vid at times. I like most of what they did with the "R" but this sounds like nothing more than a guess from a hopeful fanboy.

Btw, dude makes the "predicted" claim around 2:20 mark so others don't have to waste their time.

 

[AmosMoses]

It would have been really interesting if they could have fit the GT500 7-Speed dual clutch transmission into the R build, but I think it just goes to their half ass effort to push this out and be done with it.

Not saying anyone who buys the R will tow with it, but a dual clutch would be a terrible transmission to try to tow anything with. If it were a dedicated desert truck, I think the GT500s transmission might have been viable but not in anything with a trailer hitch. I think there was some thought put behind not using the 7 speed, surprising given the rest of the effort.

 

[Louk]

Guy here claims the R is a 4.0s 0-60.
Is this official or gossip?

Jesus, what a painful video to watch. And could this guy be any more of a Ford fanboy, thought it was a Ford promo vid at times. I like most of what they did with the "R" but this sounds like nothing more than a guess from a hopeful fanboy.

Btw, dude makes the "predicted" claim around 2:20 mark so others don't have to waste their time.

I use to follow him years ago, IIRC he screwed over a bunch of sponsors and shops, had some drug issues and still managed to keep money and continue with the videos. His old stuff was decent but I haven't watched him in a long time, same with the street speed dude. after he started on the bandwagon of "Cop baiting" awhile back not to mention everything is click bait. 20 minute video to show 30 seconds of actual information.

 

[wac45]

Regarding the video it sounds like the 0-60 time is a guess at this point but his 750 lb weight difference is inaccurate and that is verifiable.

 

[BlueTRX]

Regarding the video it sounds like the 0-60 time is a guess at this point but his 750 lb weight difference is inaccurate and that is verifiable.

That was a red flag for me as well in the beginning of the video. I believe Furd said it's more like 400lbs?

 

[BlueTRX]

Where is the SC noise of the R? Won't mention which one is the true predator here

 

[Livin The Dream]

700 HP...I still remember watching the video of a TRX just walking away from a 750HP Shelby Raptor which had 4.10's and stock 35" tires...
Hard to imagine a stock 700HP Raptor R with same 4.10's but larger 37's, keeping up with a TRX.

 

[HeliPilot]

700 HP...I still remember watching the video of a TRX just walking away from a 750HP Shelby Raptor which had 4.10's and stock 35" tires...
Hard to imagine a stock 700HP Raptor R with same 4.10's but larger 37's, keeping up with a TRX.

I saw that too. Not to mention, a standard cab, two wheel drive lowered Shelby f150 barely edged out the TRX in the 1/4 mile.

 

[EricnotwithaK]

Articles that I’ve read have placed the Mustang’s GT-500 engine in the Raptor R.
As with the TRX’s Hellcat engine being minutely detuned when stacked against the challenger and charger’s 6.2L block it is therefore fair to surmise that Ford will do the same with the Raptor R’s “borrowed” GT-500 block. I would heavily bet that Ford would never allow a more powerful and better performing engine to go into a pick up truck Raptor R over a GT-500. I’d guess hp and torque figures will both be in the 700+ range but neither power numbers will break the 800 mark.

I WAS BASICALLY RIGHT ON THE MONEY !!!

 

[EricnotwithaK]

The engine wasn’t detuned going into the TRX according to Stellantis (and based on comparing the actually stock tune against a charger or challenger hellcat). It simply makes less power because it’s sucking air through a more restrictive straw.

Ford could end up with the same problem but I honestly doubt they care too much about the HP number as long as it’s higher than the TRX and the 0-60 with the shorter gears and bigger tires is under 3.7/3.8. As it’s been said, they can pulley it up or down if they want to in order to get whatever performance they want. That same motor makes 900HP pullied down in the GT500KR. They have plenty of room to adjust.

I’m sorry but politely I have to point out that restricting power by a narrower straw would more than likely be considered falling under the “general” concept of detuning. Just saying I don’t think you completely realized what you were typing.

Looking back now I would respectfully say I was trending more on the correct track when you responded to my comment.
Ford was not going to dump a higher output GT500 Predator engine in a pick up truck. Executives/ Ford’s board would NEVER allow that then having a lower output GT500.
I was confident saying it would be a slightly detuned ( or restricted. However you want to put it ) version in the Raptor R. The only thing I was mistaken about, I think, was guessing that output on Raptor R would be mid 700s in hp & torque. Ultimately I want to thank Ford for helping me solidify my TRX order on 7/8/22. There is absolutely nothing eye opening the Raptor R has over a TRX. Also, in general RAM ( Dodge whatever ) has a more luxurious and sportier interior. Especially if you got the option of carbon fiber and the option of the black & red accents. Can’t wait for my white whale !!!!

 

[AZDinoPwr]

I’m sorry but politely I have to point out that restricting power by a narrower straw would more than likely be considered falling under the “general” concept of detuning. Just saying I don’t think you completely realized what you were typing.

Looking back now I would respectfully say I was trending more on the correct track when you responded to my comment.
Ford was not going to dump a higher output GT500 Predator engine in a pick up truck. Executives/ Ford’s board would NEVER allow that then having a lower output GT500.
I was confident saying it would be a slightly detuned ( or restricted. However you want to put it ) version in the Raptor R. The only thing I was mistaken about, I think, was guessing that output on Raptor R would be mid 700s in hp & torque. Ultimately I want to thank Ford for helping me solidify my TRX order on 7/8/22. There is absolutely nothing eye opening the Raptor R has over a TRX. Also, in general RAM ( Dodge whatever ) has a more luxurious and sportier interior. Especially if you got the option of carbon fiber and the option of the black & red accents. Can’t wait for my white whale !!!!

Oh I was way wrong about Ford. I didn’t think any manufacturer was that stupid but I was proven very wrong

That’s fine we have different definitions of detuning. For every car builder, designer, etc that I have ever worked with detuning is an intentional process. IE, Ford detuned the Raptor R by intentionally putting a larger upper pulley on the 5.2L to make less boost and peak HP. The TRX power loss through the change in intake I don’t believe was Intentional power loss. It was a side effect of trying to design an intake to accommodate high water. I highly doubt they had a “goal” of reducing the HP along the way.

 

[EricnotwithaK]

Oh I was way wrong about Ford. I didn’t think any manufacturer was that stupid but I was proven very wrong

That’s fine we have different definitions of detuning. For every car builder, designer, etc that I have ever worked with detuning is an intentional process. IE, Ford detuned the Raptor R by intentionally putting a larger upper pulley on the 5.2L to make less boost and peak HP. The TRX power loss through the change in intake I don’t believe was Intentional power loss. It was a side effect of trying to design an intake to accommodate high water. I highly doubt they had a “goal” of reducing the HP along the way.

Maybe you can help me identify what would be anyone’s reason for even just the opportunity to pay $110K for a Raptor R when they can quite easily pay $20K less for a well optioned TRX.

 

[MAMMOTHTRX]

Maybe you can help me identify what would be anyone’s reason for even just the opportunity to pay $110K for a Raptor R when they can quite easily pay $20K less for a well optioned TRX.

Because they want it. You can say that about any vehicle

 

[AZDinoPwr]

Maybe you can help me identify what would be anyone’s reason for even just the opportunity to pay $110K for a Raptor R when they can quite easily pay $20K less for a well optioned TRX.

Why would anyone buy a mid level Porsche when it can be out performed by a GT500 or ZL1? Infinite number of examples I could give. Obviously with the R though Ford is going to also aim for “exclusivity” which has value to some folks (not me personally).

 

[T-bone]

Oh I was way wrong about Ford. I didn’t think any manufacturer was that stupid but I was proven very wrong

That’s fine we have different definitions of detuning. For every car builder, designer, etc that I have ever worked with detuning is an intentional process. IE, Ford detuned the Raptor R by intentionally putting a larger upper pulley on the 5.2L to make less boost and peak HP. The TRX power loss through the change in intake I don’t believe was Intentional power loss. It was a side effect of trying to design an intake to accommodate high water. I highly doubt they had a “goal” of reducing the HP along the way.

I believe they actualy put a smaller pulley on to increase boost and tourque at lower rpm. They lowered the rredline a little to make less horspower.

 

[AZDinoPwr]

I believe they actualy put a smaller pulley on to increase boost and tourque at lower rpm. They lowered the rredline a little to make less horspower.

You are correct on the slightly smaller (80-75mm) pulley but according to Ford the boost stayed the same at 12 PSI… guessing they changed up the exhaust and cam profile to try and increase the torque band. I didn’t catch that at first though and thought the pulley went the other way (75 to 80). The lower redline is an interesting note… I wonder on the rationale there. Parts longevity in a heavier vehicle?