Stellantis possibly bringing back the 5.7 Hemi and the Hellcat!

[PhoenixTRX]

Clearly USAID needs to spend Billions studying this!

 

[VannDamage]

Clearly USAID needs to spend Billions studying this!

Don't worry, DOGE will take care of it.

 

[DMR]

In general, electric vehicles (EVs) are better for the environment than gas-powered vehicles, but the full picture depends on several factors. Here’s a breakdown:

Advantages of EVs Over Gas Vehicles​

1. Lower Emissions: EVs produce zero tailpipe emissions, reducing air pollution and greenhouse gases.
2. More Efficient: Electric motors convert more energy from the source into motion (~85-90% efficiency) compared to internal combustion engines (~20-30%).
3. Cleaner Over Time: The electricity grid is getting greener as more renewable energy sources like solar and wind replace coal and natural gas.

Factors That Affect EV Sustainability​

1. Battery Production Impact: Mining lithium, cobalt, and nickel for EV batteries has environmental costs, including habitat destruction and water usage. However, this impact is often offset by lower lifetime emissions.
2. Electricity Source: If an EV is charged in an area where electricity comes mainly from coal, its environmental benefit is reduced but still often better than gasoline cars.
3. Battery Recycling: Improvements in battery recycling and second-life uses can further reduce EVs' environmental footprint.

Gas Vehicles & Their Downsides​

1. Ongoing Emissions: Even the most fuel-efficient gas vehicles emit CO₂ and other pollutants throughout their lifespan.
2. Limited Efficiency Gains: Gasoline engines have reached near-maximum efficiency, while EV technology continues to improve.
3. Dependence on Fossil Fuels: Gas-powered vehicles rely on oil, which involves extraction, refining, and transportation—all of which cause pollution.

Conclusion​

EVs have a higher environmental impact at the manufacturing stage due to battery production, but they make up for it by having lower emissions over their lifespan. In most cases, they are the more environmentally friendly option, especially as battery recycling improves and electricity grids become cleaner.

I always enjoy reading these discussions, mostly from a distance but need to ask, was this breakdown copy and pasted from ChatGPT or some other AI source?

The bro and bruh banter was hysterical. I will add, don’t bro me if you don’t know me.

I am in the camp of drive whatever you want, but I am out on EV’s. They have their place in the commuter world for sure. However, they have no soul (the speaker systems with engine and exhaust noise make me laugh every time and don’t do it for me) and they can’t charge in remote areas where my truck belongs… hunting, fishing and camping.

 

[Louk]

I always enjoy reading these discussions, mostly from a distance but need to ask, was this breakdown copy and pasted from ChatGPT or some other AI source?

The bro and bruh banter was hysterical. I will add, don’t bro me if you don’t know me.

I am in the camp of drive whatever you want, but I am out on EV’s. They have their place in the commuter world for sure. However, they have no soul (the speaker systems with engine and exhaust noise make me laugh every time and don’t do it for me) and they can’t charge in remote areas where my truck belongs… hunting, fishing and camping.

100% I read that and thought this is ChatGPT talking to me

 

[wac45]

We should all have a choice. That is my point. I don't know a single person ever that was forced to buy an EV. However, the manufactures of cars should have the best of both worlds, offer awesome EVs and V8s. Let the consumer decide, not politicians. Mining anything costs energy and pollution. Oil, gold, silver, lithium, etc.

100 percent agree, to me the issue is we should all have that choice. The problem is we were headed to the politicians dictating EV for all so their pockets could be lined, not to "save the planet" nonsense that they kept spewing. No one right now was forced to buy an EV, but that was the govt goal and they were headed in that direction. I am grateful for a return to sanity and certainly hope Ram gives us our V8s back. I think they will.

 

[Rammit]

Isn’t the guy running DOGE in our current administration one of the Pioneers of EVs? If any incentives are going away, it’s a strategic move for Billionaire Musk.

Musk has said for years EV isn’t for everyone. They should be part of the portfolio, not a disguise for politicians looking to get rich on investments and disguising it in the name of saving the planet.

 

[Car-Guy]

I'll probably start looking at my next new vehicle (Truck or SUV) purchase later this year. RAM won't make my short list unless they bring back Hellcat engines. If they do, it will be on the top of my list. Others I'll consider, Raptor R or Cayenne Turbo.

 

[Russ103]

In general, electric vehicles (EVs) are better for the environment than gas-powered vehicles, but the full picture depends on several factors. Here’s a breakdown:

Advantages of EVs Over Gas Vehicles​

1. Lower Emissions: EVs produce zero tailpipe emissions, reducing air pollution and greenhouse gases.
2. More Efficient: Electric motors convert more energy from the source into motion (~85-90% efficiency) compared to internal combustion engines (~20-30%).
3. Cleaner Over Time: The electricity grid is getting greener as more renewable energy sources like solar and wind replace coal and natural gas.

Factors That Affect EV Sustainability​

1. Battery Production Impact: Mining lithium, cobalt, and nickel for EV batteries has environmental costs, including habitat destruction and water usage. However, this impact is often offset by lower lifetime emissions.
2. Electricity Source: If an EV is charged in an area where electricity comes mainly from coal, its environmental benefit is reduced but still often better than gasoline cars.
3. Battery Recycling: Improvements in battery recycling and second-life uses can further reduce EVs' environmental footprint.

Gas Vehicles & Their Downsides​

1. Ongoing Emissions: Even the most fuel-efficient gas vehicles emit CO₂ and other pollutants throughout their lifespan.
2. Limited Efficiency Gains: Gasoline engines have reached near-maximum efficiency, while EV technology continues to improve.
3. Dependence on Fossil Fuels: Gas-powered vehicles rely on oil, which involves extraction, refining, and transportation—all of which cause pollution.

Conclusion​

EVs have a higher environmental impact at the manufacturing stage due to battery production, but they make up for it by having lower emissions over their lifespan. In most cases, they are the more environmentally friendly option, especially as battery recycling improves and electricity grids become cleaner.

You don’t mention the biggest (at least to me) advantage of an EV. And that is zero maintenance. I personally can’t stand having to schedule service visits for my TRX or wife’s X5 M50i. (We love our V8’s)

If I didn’t have a daily beater (RAV4) I would most likely get a cheap Model 3 as a beater that I can drive without ever having to take to get an oil change done, other then wearing out the tires. Regenerating braking aka one pedal driving means no brakes to replace either. That’s such a huge pro to owning an EV that I can’t believe most people never mention it.

 

[04Ram2500Hemi]

Scout is the only EV that really interests me. I’ve got a deposit on the SUV (Traveler) with the gas extender Harvester package.

Ram could simplify things by getting rid of the 5.7L Hemi and keeping the 6.4L for their truck line up as well as Dodge for their cars. Stick with the 6.4L and then one version of the 6.2L Hellcat Redeye. No sense in multiple V8’s. Just two options. Keep it simple!

 

[Krewton]

Ugh. So much wrong here. Solar panels last 25 years and its not like they die after year 25. They degrade. Any moron that gets into a Tesla Plaid hasn't done their research. Way under braked and just a super car killer in all aspects of straight line speed, 0-60, and quarter mile. I had my Gen 1 Raptor (2011) and traded it in for my 2023 TRX. Traded my 2016 Charger Hellcat in for my Mach E GTPE. I finally have usable power (480hp/634tq/AWD), amazing brakes, and will walk any Hellcat that is 2WD 0-80+. Bro, sounds like you never have driven an EV or been in one.

I’m work in commercial/industrial/utility solar operations and maintenance. You aren’t getting 25 years out of your modules. Of course depends on manufacture but you’ll be lucky to get 15years. At that point they won’t be producing anywhere close to what they originally did and you may not be able to sell your excess power down the road, cause you won’t have any. Not to mention safety hazards like DC ground faults that normal electricians don’t know how to handle. If the residential company you used to install solar isn’t maintaining them at least once a year, good luck. Not to mention failing inverters that constantly fault and lose you production, depending on the brand.

Residential solar companies are a dime a dozen, mostly jokes that go out of business once their territory is saturated with solar. Buyer beware and do research on the company you want to install solar on your roof.

If we covered the Midwest or plains with solar and could power the entire U.S. with solar power, I’d say EVs are 100% the way to go for less emissions. Not the case right now so consumers should be able to pick what they want to drive instead of lawmakers pushing legislation that require an state to have all EVs by a certain year or emission taxes out the ass on manufactures.

 

[AZDinoPwr]

I’m work in commercial/industrial/utility solar operations and maintenance. You aren’t getting 25 years out of your modules. Of course depends on manufacture but you’ll be lucky to get 15years. At that point they won’t be producing anywhere close to what they originally did and you may not be able to sell your excess power down the road, cause you won’t have any. Not to mention safety hazards like DC ground faults that normal electricians don’t know how to handle. If the residential company you used to install solar isn’t maintaining them at least once a year, good luck. Not to mention failing inverters that constantly fault and lose you production, depending on the brand.

Residential solar companies are a dime a dozen, mostly jokes that go out of business once their territory is saturated with solar. Buyer beware and do research on the company you want to install solar on your roof.

If we covered the Midwest or plains with solar and could power the entire U.S. with solar power, I’d say EVs are 100% the way to go for less emissions. Not the case right now so consumers should be able to pick what they want to drive instead of lawmakers pushing legislation that require an state to have all EVs by a certain year or emission taxes out the ass on manufactures.

Thanks for weighing in. The solar champions like @VannDamage might learn a thing or two from the folks who actually design / install / maintain the tech.

 

[RedEyeTRX]

@RedEyeTRX … you happy I came further over the fence and away from EVs? These guys don’t even know I was one of the EV proponents 3 years ago on here.

I got the wife to agree to an 840hp awd soccer mom SUV for her car and it makes V8 sounds!

Hey ,how have ya been? We did go rounds on EVs back in the day! I have been banging the NO EV drum for the past 5-10 years when the GOV mandates were enacted. The GOV telling me what car I can or cannot buy, burned me to the core. Then I ran the numbers of the GOVs "all electric" by 2035 mandate and it was laughable (aka not achievable) . The new head of the EPA is great and he is going to CLEAN house !

Sweet, 840HP now you are talking! RSQ8?

 

[Johnny@JustBoltOns]

This should be interesting, TK and Butter have been giving some good insights on things before they happen. This could be great for the aftermarket industry as well, especially if they are right about the CAFE standards and the EPA stepping back.

 

[AZDinoPwr]

Hey ,how have ya been? We did go rounds on EVs back in the day! I have been banging the NO EV drum for the past 5-10 years when the GOV mandates were enacted. The GOV telling me what car I can or cannot buy, burned me to the core. Then I ran the numbers of the GOVs "all electric" by 2035 mandate and it was laughable (aka not achievable) . The new head of the EPA is great and he is going to CLEAN house !

Sweet, 840HP now you are talking! RSQ8?

Doing good! Baby should be here any day. Life is about the change haha.

SQ7 with tune and downpipes since we wanted the third row seating option and a bit more trunk space. But dang close!

 

[AZDinoPwr]

In general, electric vehicles (EVs) are better for the environment than gas-powered vehicles, but the full picture depends on several factors. Here’s a breakdown:

Advantages of EVs Over Gas Vehicles​

1. Lower Emissions: EVs produce zero tailpipe emissions, reducing air pollution and greenhouse gases.
2. More Efficient: Electric motors convert more energy from the source into motion (~85-90% efficiency) compared to internal combustion engines (~20-30%).
3. Cleaner Over Time: The electricity grid is getting greener as more renewable energy sources like solar and wind replace coal and natural gas.

Factors That Affect EV Sustainability​

1. Battery Production Impact: Mining lithium, cobalt, and nickel for EV batteries has environmental costs, including habitat destruction and water usage. However, this impact is often offset by lower lifetime emissions.
2. Electricity Source: If an EV is charged in an area where electricity comes mainly from coal, its environmental benefit is reduced but still often better than gasoline cars.
3. Battery Recycling: Improvements in battery recycling and second-life uses can further reduce EVs' environmental footprint.

Gas Vehicles & Their Downsides​

1. Ongoing Emissions: Even the most fuel-efficient gas vehicles emit CO₂ and other pollutants throughout their lifespan.
2. Limited Efficiency Gains: Gasoline engines have reached near-maximum efficiency, while EV technology continues to improve.
3. Dependence on Fossil Fuels: Gas-powered vehicles rely on oil, which involves extraction, refining, and transportation—all of which cause pollution.

Conclusion​

EVs have a higher environmental impact at the manufacturing stage due to battery production, but they make up for it by having lower emissions over their lifespan. In most cases, they are the more environmentally friendly option, especially as battery recycling improves and electricity grids become cleaner.

To the points above and I’m happy to link all the peer reviewed research data on this:

1. Carbon is one of the emissions that vehicles produce post manufacturing. Particulate matter is the other primary items and recent data suggests that EVs are producing as much as double the particulate matter as equivalent non-EV vehicles due to their weight and driving habits of those who operate them. Brakes and tires.

2. Electric motors might have high efficiency but given that the electricity produced AND transported to the vehicle via the infrastructure is most often done at much lower efficiencies, the overall operating efficiency of electric for the vast majority of the public is lower.

3. While sources of energy might improve overall “clean” aspects of the energy, the grid cannot handle the increased load. This means massive amounts of construction and updating that…you guessed it…is extremely carbon intensive.

The next section…

1. Mining impacts are massive and should not be understated. I believe it was Volvo who did a study a few years back looking at ICE vs hybrid vs full electric from a carbon standpoint. They found that it took at a minimum 5-7 years of average driving of the EV to offset the mining/manufacturing carbon footprint of a full electric EV vs an ICE one. Hybrids were much better at 3-5 years to offset the carbon footprint due to the smaller battery packs. This was the justification for Volvo to pursue hybrids over full electric from a design standpoint. Ironically, Volvo just published a new study last year that hybrids offer the worst reliability because of the complexity of the dual systems which negates any improvement in reduced fuel consumption over the life of the vehicle from a cost standpoint. Ie. There is no free lunch.

2. This is greatly dependent on the location as your statement alludes to. By no means should someone who is charging their EV think they are doing the environment a benefit if their local power grid is coal based.

3. This is future tech that is still in work and many companies are struggling to come up with a carbon neutral solution for recycling. Ironically, one could make the argument that EVs are actually less renewable than ICE cars until reasonable recycling methods are developed. Technically speaking, oil is a renewable resource. The environment is constantly making new oil as any living thing dies and decomposes. Rate earth minerals are also created on a geological timeline but it’s actually longer than oil/gas production.

And the next section…

1. Yes they do emit CO2. But whether something emits 1 ton over its lifetime or 1 ton when first produced and then nothing over its lifetime, there is no difference.

2. Doubtful, efficiency keeps improving. Porsche just patented their six stroke design. Gas turbines operate higher and could be used at generators, etc. Nissan has an ICE motor operating at 50%. There are options.

3. Versus dependency on rate earth minerals. No different IMO.

If this was chatGPT then it needs to learn more.

 

[Guest10031]

One of the things that worries me about EVs is that they emit so much electromagnetic radiation which is just cooking people in the passenger compartment.

 

[RaptorTillNow]

Can't see past the MAGA.

Don't want too...I am a freedom loving man (one of the TWO sexes)...Who wants to MAKE AMERICAN GREAT AGAIN!

And really, I mean it...Enjoy the battery...

 

[@JC]

No one made me buy my Mach E. That was my choice. And I might be rare, but I have solar panels on my house and charge my vehicle mostly for free (90% is excess solar generation after my home batteries recharge). Let's be very clear, anyone that gets into a EV needs to educate themselves. Home charger will save you money. If you can have only one vehicle, gas or hybrid, do not get an EV.

EV mandates are literally destroying the American automobile market as all ICE vehicles are increasing in price to cover the loses companies are suffering selling cars very few buyers want. You wouldn't have your "Mustang" Mach-e without those government mandates and subsidies as Ford wouldn't build them if they had to sell them at what they actually cost, because, if they did, no one would pay the $100k+ they'd cost in a market free of governmental coercion.

This week, Ford Motor Company reported that it lost $5.1 billion on its EV business in 2024.

Kelley Blue Book reported that Ford’s EV sales were 30,176 for the fourth quarter and 97,865 for the entire year. Therefore, Ford lost $46,394 for each EV it sold in the fourth quarter and $52,113 for each EV it sold in 2024.

For the full year, Ford reported net income of about $5.9 billion. Ford’s operating losses on EVs were nearly equal to its total profits.

 

[TRXNUT]

I laugh every time people say "we need to save the planet" well ok the only real way to do that is to get rid of all humans, period. We are the ones making the garbage, pollution and decimating all the resources the planet has to give. You don't see foxes or eagles building garbage sites or dumping toxic waste products in the oceans. Also don't worry, mother nature has a sellf cleaning option like our stoves, once she gets too dirty we'll all be removed and the planet will be restored once again. It's happened a few times already, hence the dinosaurs. Don't get me wrong I try my best to not be wastefull and keep the garbage/polution down but fact is we are a dirty, greedy ,wastefull species. On a positive note let's all just enjoy our gas guzzlers until we can't!

 

[RedEyeTRX]

Doing good! Baby should be here any day. Life is about the change haha.

SQ7 with tune and downpipes since we wanted the third row seating option and a bit more trunk space. But dang close!

Glad to hear that! Congrats on the new addition to the family and the SQ7 sound like FUN!