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It was the M60 version, real quick don’t get me wrong. My wife likes to say “yeah but who wants a microwaved steak”
Stellantis possibly bringing back the 5.7 Hemi and the Hellcat!
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LOL!! You are correct, EVs can be terribly fast. Tesla's suck. There is a reason I got the Mach E, interior is the nicest of our three vehicles.
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EVs have a niche where they make financial and practical sense. City driving where electricity rates are cooperative. Recently explored grabbing a Model X Plaid as the wife’s new car with baby on the way. Just couldn’t do it though…too many cons for our use case. First, a refrigerator on wheels. EVs are just an appliance with no soul or character. The one trick pony of quick 0-60 gets old really quick and they offer nothing else to make driving fun. Only folks who have never been in real performance cars before would ever call any EV except the Saphire or Plaid even remotely fast. Hell, my TRX has walked every EV I have ever raced and it’s the slowest vehicle I have had in a decade. Second, depreciation is insane. We swap cars every 5ish years and that looks like it would lose 75% of its value or more. Add to that our electricity costs here that keep growing and the delta with fuel costs shrinks quite a bit. Looked at going solar and wouldn’t break even for 7 years with solar panels that have a 10 year life span. Can’t use it for towing efficiently or road trips to the cabin. I don’t really want to support child labor in third world countries for mining. And repairs on them (body work) after the most minor of accidents becomes insane. Lots more reasons too but I’m glad this admin is putting the halt on the regulations that would mandate the bulk of the vehicles on the road were electric in the not so distant future.
Ugh. So much wrong here. Solar panels last 25 years and its not like they die after year 25. They degrade. Any moron that gets into a Tesla Plaid hasn't done their research. Way under braked and just a super car killer in all aspects of straight line speed, 0-60, and quarter mile. I had my Gen 1 Raptor (2011) and traded it in for my 2023 TRX. Traded my 2016 Charger Hellcat in for my Mach E GTPE. I finally have usable power (480hp/634tq/AWD), amazing brakes, and will walk any Hellcat that is 2WD 0-80+. Bro, sounds like you never have driven an EV or been in one.
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This is nonsense. There are a boatload of EVs that will blow the doors off of a TRX. My wife is on her 3rd Model Y Performance and it has Trackhawk/Hellrango 0-60 acceleration and real world pass speeds of 35-60mph it will blow the door off of any gas vehicle. Ditto M3P, Taycan Turbo/GT, Rivian R1T/R1S. RS E-Tron etc.
The solar panels I was quoted on the cheap end were only considered good and warrantied for 10 years with known issues in the Phx heat and 120+ deg temps degrading them to last much less than 25 years due to repairs needed on the control circuits in each panel. On the high end I could get panels that would make it 20 years but wouldn’t break even on cost for about 12 years. The issue here in Phoenix is the way energy is bought vs sold depending on your provider. Because the buyback rate is so stupidly low and the use at night when lows in the summer are still 100 degs which requires all three AC units on all night is high you end up needing a massive battery pack that just doesn’t make sense. Or, your on the grid and buying so much in these hours versus what you can sell back during daylight that the differential is minimal once hardware costs are applied. Put it this way, every three years I have the solar panel companies come out and work up their best estimate for me. We compare side by side with my actual energy bill and every time they agree it doesn’t make sense to go solar. If we add an EV then it’s going to get charged at night which means I either have to draw off battery or the grid which means the calc doesn’t get better.
My TRX is making about 1100 hp and my last three cars before the TRX all ran 9 second 1/4 miles. 2/3 were AWD. Never said anything was stock and that’s another beauty of non-EVs.
Please don’t use the word “bro” in your criticism, just makes you sound retarded.
I have raced every one of those EVs except the Taycan Turbo and whomped them. Model Ys are a joke for me. Never said the TRX was stock. 1100 hp. Raced a Taycan GTS and walked it but have never run into a Turbo GT on the street.
I have plenty of time in EVs but they just aren’t fast cars. They are “quick.” That’s the difference between ET and Trap Speed. When you have spent time in 1200-1600hp gas cars at 200mph then the EVs feel slow.
The only nonsense was your assumptions about my vehicles or experience in the automotive enthusiast community.
I went solar because in Texas, I had a 3 yr contract that was expiring at 5.8c/kwh. The new rate was 11.8c/kwh. That's when I realized, guess what, energy isn't going to get cheaper. I pulled the trigger on a 15.2kw system and locked my rate in for the next 20+ years. Perfect timing because it was Trump era, locked in 1.49% rate on the loan. My electric bill is now $285. With my my Tesla Powerwalls (x2) and being on their energy grid, I build credit. I have a pool, nice house, EV, locked in at $285 or less. Nice try Bruh.
Thank you for proving the point about being retarded. Every use case is different. That’s the entire matter. And you missed it. Ironically, proving my point that you couldnt think outside of your own personal use with your attempt at condescending to me.
I have a different purchase and buyback rate than you. I have different energy consumption than you. I have different state laws regarding selling a home with solar panels than you. If you think you’re smarter and somehow know more about my specific home in my specific zip code with my specific provider than the solar companies that come around here every year trying to push installs then maybe you should put together a proposal for me.
People like you really crack me up on the internet. You act all tough and smart thinking you “know better” or “know more” than the person you disagree with while also knowing absolutely nothing about the person you are disagreeing with. You assumed about my TRX and now you assume about my energy consumption (weird thing to say). Yea, nice home and pool and cars…have that crap too. And if solar was a good route to cut down on my $600 /month electric bill I would go that route. But as an aerospace engineer who in the past has literally helped design solar electric circuits for weapon platforms and works with more nerds who are into EVs than I can count I think I have a pretty good handle on the tech and its application in my life. You sound like some kind of democrat trying to convince everyone how “your way is the right way” while not realizing how very different some folks are.
You win.
Thank you for proving the point about being retarded. Every use case is different. That’s the entire matter. And you missed it. Ironically, proving my point that you couldnt think outside of your own personal use with your attempt at condescending to me.
I have a different purchase and buyback rate than you. I have different energy consumption than you. I have different state laws regarding selling a home with solar panels than you. If you think you’re smarter and somehow know more about my specific home in my specific zip code with my specific provider than the solar companies that come around here every year trying to push installs then maybe you should put together a proposal for me.
People like you really crack me up on the internet. You act all tough and smart thinking you “know better” or “know more” than the person you disagree with while also knowing absolutely nothing about the person you are disagreeing with. You assumed about my TRX and now you assume about my energy consumption (weird thing to say). Yea, nice home and pool and cars…have that crap too. And if solar was a good route to cut down on my $600 /month electric bill I would go that route. But as an aerospace engineer who in the past has literally helped design solar electric circuits for weapon platforms and works with more nerds who are into EVs than I can count I think I have a pretty good handle on the tech and its application in my life. You sound like some kind of democrat trying to convince everyone how “your way is the right way” while not realizing how very different some folks are.
RIP Ken but all that looked like was a big RC car and has nothing to do with speed. Again, I prefer to play with stuff that’s faster. I could link these all day. First one is here in AZ at our yearly airstrip event.
@RedEyeTRX … you happy I came further over the fence and away from EVs? These guys don’t even know I was one of the EV proponents 3 years ago on here. 
I got the wife to agree to an 840hp awd soccer mom SUV for her car and it makes V8 sounds!
I got the wife to agree to an 840hp awd soccer mom SUV for her car and it makes V8 sounds!
America wins the freedom to choose.
As a N. Phoenix resident, I totally agree with that math, longevity, interpretation of true cost from what we 'learned too'. Solar Doppelganger.
Two more factors... beyond any economic benefit.
- (A) Despite 3, yes THREE 'No Trespassing/No Soliciting' signs walking up to our front door, being able to quote Phoenix City Statues 23-142, 23-143 and penalties ...the "Solar Gypsies" still knock mid-day at least once a week. However - I've even studied this 'Foe' - by watching related YouTuber training sessions and techniques (shared by window cleaners/pest control too). https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=solar+sales+techniques
- (A) I've discovered the Mic Drop
. I calmly note the signs - then mention that I run a home based Hospice and their loud knocking, ignorance of the signage... well.... 'seriously, have some respect'. Silence ensues.... I recently applied to a jovial Realtor making introductions. I can upload the latest to YouTube 'for forum member training' value if desired? - (B) Working from home and most often in my garage, I've watched three neighbors get systems installed. Consistently the sketchiest, OSHA training video fodder sub-vendors. 3/3 times. Maybe I'm tainted by consistent observations?
- While results may vary.... I'm wary of any 'Home Improvement' or Service fueled by greed, a transient sales force and related verbiage that feels too much like 'Smoke & Mirrors' by recent MLM conference attendees. Damn, it... I have Hospice patients too
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- All our vehicles are used for lengthy roadtrips during the year (500-1000 mile days), the added duration parked for hours charging has zero appeal. Amplified by some of the locales <- memories of taking my buddies Model X to Las Vegas, sitting 45min. in Kingman next to a Bail Bonds building. I can carry nationally (LEOSA card) but don't need my 'head on a swivel' while the kids play Missile Command on the screen.
- Trip speed - whether California, family in Tucson or Starbase, TX....habitually driving at 85mph++ over long distances significantly reduces range (our Toyota Sienna has never dropped below 31mpg even with the largest Thule box).
- I've only had two stoplight encounters with EV's that were decent... the majority of Plaid/Dual Motor/Kung-Fu Grip or other tailgate emblems most often drive sedately. Like excitement over a new Boat, but it spends it's days cruising an offsite dry storage lot. Enthusiasts in my circle prefer an organic experience (sound/vibration to manual transmissions).
- Huge Musk fan, from his constant Disruption to new Baby Momma reveals. Like autonomous driving, having an EV is not a value add for our current circumstances.
Agree.America wins the freedom to choose.
In general, electric vehicles (EVs) are better for the environment than gas-powered vehicles, but the full picture depends on several factors. Here’s a breakdown:As a N. Phoenix resident, I totally agree with that math, longevity, interpretation of true cost from what we 'learned too'. Solar Doppelganger.
Two more factors... beyond any economic benefit.
EV Musings...
- (A) Despite 3, yes THREE 'No Trespassing/No Soliciting' signs walking up to our front door, being able to quote Phoenix City Statues 23-142, 23-143 and penalties ...the "Solar Gypsies" still knock mid-day at least once a week. However - I've even studied this 'Foe' - by watching related YouTuber training sessions and techniques (shared by window cleaners/pest control too). https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=solar+sales+techniques
- (A) I've discovered the Mic Drop
- (B) Working from home and most often in my garage, I've watched three neighbors get systems installed. Consistently the sketchiest, OSHA training video fodder sub-vendors. 3/3 times. Maybe I'm tainted by consistent observations?
- While results may vary.... I'm wary of any 'Home Improvement' or Service fueled by greed, a transient sales force and related verbiage that feels too much like 'Smoke & Mirrors' by recent MLM conference attendees. Damn, it... I have Hospice patients too
- All our vehicles are used for lengthy roadtrips during the year (500-1000 mile days), the added duration parked for hours charging has zero appeal. Amplified by some of the locales <- memories of taking my buddies Model X to Las Vegas, sitting 45min. in Kingman next to a Bail Bonds building. I can carry nationally (LEOSA card) but don't need my 'head on a swivel' while the kids play Missile Command on the screen.
- Trip speed - whether California, family in Tucson or Starbase, TX....habitually driving at 85mph++ over long distances significantly reduces range (our Toyota Sienna has never dropped below 31mpg even with the largest Thule box).
- I've only had two stoplight encounters with EV's that were decent... the majority of Plaid/Dual Motor/Kung-Fu Grip or other tailgate emblems most often drive sedately. Like excitement over a new Boat, but it spends it's days cruising an offsite dry storage lot. Enthusiasts in my circle prefer an organic experience (sound/vibration to manual transmissions).
- Huge Musk fan, from his constant Disruption to new Baby Momma reveals. Like autonomous driving, having an EV is not a value add for our current circumstances.
Advantages of EVs Over Gas Vehicles
- Lower Emissions: EVs produce zero tailpipe emissions, reducing air pollution and greenhouse gases.
- More Efficient: Electric motors convert more energy from the source into motion (~85-90% efficiency) compared to internal combustion engines (~20-30%).
- Cleaner Over Time: The electricity grid is getting greener as more renewable energy sources like solar and wind replace coal and natural gas.
Factors That Affect EV Sustainability
- Battery Production Impact: Mining lithium, cobalt, and nickel for EV batteries has environmental costs, including habitat destruction and water usage. However, this impact is often offset by lower lifetime emissions.
- Electricity Source: If an EV is charged in an area where electricity comes mainly from coal, its environmental benefit is reduced but still often better than gasoline cars.
- Battery Recycling: Improvements in battery recycling and second-life uses can further reduce EVs' environmental footprint.
Gas Vehicles & Their Downsides
- Ongoing Emissions: Even the most fuel-efficient gas vehicles emit CO₂ and other pollutants throughout their lifespan.
- Limited Efficiency Gains: Gasoline engines have reached near-maximum efficiency, while EV technology continues to improve.
- Dependence on Fossil Fuels: Gas-powered vehicles rely on oil, which involves extraction, refining, and transportation—all of which cause pollution.
Conclusion
EVs have a higher environmental impact at the manufacturing stage due to battery production, but they make up for it by having lower emissions over their lifespan. In most cases, they are the more environmentally friendly option, especially as battery recycling improves and electricity grids become cleaner.
Wow... you are right! I never knew how good it looks in the interior of a vehicle to velcro a iPad vertically on the dash... and a narrow rectangular one in front of the driver, almost like robocops visor helmet...
Cool dude, really cool! Enjoy your big battery...
I'll stick with my gas guzzling TRX
But here we are on a TRX forum.... and many of us thoroughly enjoy our often single-digit vehicles.
One day our kids will tell their Great Grandkids around mandatory holographic campfires whispering excited stories of adventures, morning cold starts, desert shortcuts between school drop off, my 4yr old's classmates at afternoon pick-up making 'REV IT!' hand gestures when her beloved TRX shows up.... They won't be sharing justifications that while arguably logical aren't emotional and passionate. Nor will the hours spent at roadside charging stations, better spent later in a Hotel pool.
For conversations sake... (friendly banter!)
- If 'Saving the Planet' was such a concern for the masses, why haven't we gone to war with the most heinous polluting countries?
- What about the costs and impact of failed, surplus or outdated EV platforms and their disposition (is it akin to the massive wind turbine blades?).
- There are perhaps other environmental impacts (like the recent California fires) from negligence/poor planning and mis-management which can quickly negate years of EV 'benefit'.
- If the masses weren't so consistently pathetic, actually had integrity and from experience are most often 'gaming' the opportunity to work from home (never matching at a min. traditional Office performance)...we could have empty highways, less wear/impact and related machinery and products to restore. We could also have minimal footprints for businesses... vs the stupidity of mandatory vegetation/trees/etc. that require landscaping equipment.
- With Virtual Reality and prior years of teleconference ability.... I'd often ponder on flights the actual necessity for the majority of business travel (to attend Conferences/etc).
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You are literally part of the problem. I have a TRX dude, a SAS Bronco, and an EV. I enjoy all vehicles. Can't see past the MAGA.Wow... you are right! I never knew how good it looks in the interior of a vehicle to velcro a iPad vertically on the dash... and a narrow rectangular one in front of the driver, almost like robocops visor helmet...
Cool dude, really cool! Enjoy your big battery...
I'll stick with my gas guzzling TRX
