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DrIlyich · Oct 4, 2023

Warren-RB said:
Not sure about Raptor's stock wheel size, but the rotors are 350mm (vs. 330mm for 17" wheels).
Front kit can be made to fit 17" but need to verify if the same 17" can fit the stock rear brake w/o issue as altering the rear rotor size will be a major challenge due to the ePB.
Min. 10 kits required.

I would be game for a 17” kit.

Warren-RB · Oct 4, 2023

Front 4 pot caliper kits we build to fit 17" wheels for track enthusiasts:
#2174 VW MK4 R32 (RB caliper kit)
#2031 Dodge Viper G1/G2 (OE calipers)
#2178 Porsche 996
#2256 Ferrari 360
BMW M3 E36, Mitsubishi EVO 8/9, Subaru WRX, Audi S4, Nissan 350Z, Mazda RX7/RX8, Lexus IS/GS 300 etc. which are typical race wheel size in the late 90 / early 2000, just to name a few...

Dudebro · Oct 4, 2023

Warren-RB said:
Not sure about Raptor's stock wheel size, but the rotors are 350mm (vs. 330mm for 17" wheels).
Front kit can be made to fit 17" but need to verify if the same 17" can fit the stock rear brake w/o issue as altering the rear rotor size will be a major challenge due to the ePB.
Min. 10 kits required.

Stock Raptor wheel is a 17" as well. Post a presale on here and you'll likely get 10 commitments right off the bat.

It is the front rotor that is the limitation isn't it? I can't remember and am not home to double check if it was the front or rear.

mpardun · Oct 4, 2023

Dudebro said:
Stock Raptor wheel is a 17" as well. Post a presale on here and you'll likely get 10 commitments right off the bat.

It is the front rotor that is the limitation isn't it? I can't remember and am not home to double check if it was the front or rear.

In addition to the desire to have a smaller (more effective) front solution for off-road. The rear is also a pain in the ass for Brake manufacturers because of the electronic Parking Brake on the TRX (and several other vehicles). Alcon, Willwood, Stop-Tech, Brembo, etc. - nobody will touch the TRX rear, except for Rotora/F1 Concepts...a made to order Chinese product (no thanks for me, but many folks have/carry them, including several forum sponsors). What's crazy, is that they are the same price as a BREMBO GT big brake kit. Eventually, the big boys saw the light on the Raptor rear (also electronic), invested in designing a solution and made that happen. I would argue that TRX customer base is large enough now that demand should not be an issue at all...especially seeing how active and engaged this forum is! I thought I'd have to just got to hurry up and wait - until saw RB join the forum (I hope). I'd love to see a full (USA or EU made) kit offered for TRX. As for me, I just bought the Alcon front kit from 797 - which WILL fit under both styles of stock 18' wheels. Now I need a rear solution - although I suspect that the Alcon front solution will dramatically improve the braking and fade profile of factory - I'd still like to do better on the rear as well. I guess I'll just be painting the rears to match the Alcon's for now and see how she goes.

Johnny@JustBoltOns · Oct 4, 2023

Warren-RB said:
Greeting to ALL.

Browsing through the forum postings, I noticed quite a few choices on the brake upgrades are presented but in particular the following two threads got my attention.

Brakes and Rotor upgrade- not the $5k-$8k ones

A comparison of the stock brake system and carbon ceramic brake system for the RAM TRX 2021-->2022 models

Based on our expertise and resources, we can offer quite a few options but to start with, we believe an affordable 2pc stock replacement rotor kit can fit most members' budget while the CCB system kit is the ultimate brake upgrade option for some others.

We suspect TRX might have some similarities to TrackHawk and/Hellcat brakes if so once OE components are received next week the brake design can be confirmed you can expect to see a series of brake offers with shipment to follow.

Meantime please feel free to address your concerns, wishes and I look forward to hearing from you.

Welcome! Looking forward to your offerings!

Warren-RB · Oct 4, 2023

Dudebro said:
Stock Raptor wheel is a 17" as well. Post a presale on here and you'll likely get 10 commitments right off the bat.

It is the front rotor that is the limitation isn't it? I can't remember and am not home to double check if it was the front or rear.

Yes, usually it's limited to the front due to the "replaced" fixed piston calipers required more clearance than the rear.
If you can help us to locate this 17" rim that you and most TRX owners have, a brake kit can be designed based on the "available" wheel clearance.

Warren-RB · Oct 4, 2023

The ePB becomes popular for the rear around 2016 (replacing the drum brake) due to the weight and "cost" saving, but most people usually got confused between "parking" and "emergency". Conventional drum brake has the dual function both in parking and emergency stopping while the ePB servers only for parking and can never for emergency stopping, I test drove it one time by activating the "P" button and I was almost thrown out of the window.

Here is a thread I posted on Trackhawk forum to caution Trackhawk owners be aware of what they are getting on other vender's rear two piece:

Rear two piece rotors - Just for the weight saving?

This is how RB rear rotor hats are made - Light weight aluminum shell with "iron sleeve" insert for the brake shoes vs. other brand machined from aluminum stock just to fit the brake shoe, and the worst part is this vender doesn't even disclose to the consumers, like other known brands, to advise consumers "to delete" the rear brake drum.

Have you noticed the carbon ceramic rotors supplied by Brembo for cars with drum brakes (Corvette ZR1, Camero Z28, Porsche 911) all use stainless steel hat (heavy too) but functional because Brembo is a legitimate brake company.

DanZman · Oct 4, 2023

Warren-RB said:
Yes, usually it's limited to the front due to the "replaced" fixed piston calipers required more clearance than the rear.
If you can help us to locate this 17" rim that you and most TRX owners have, a brake kit can be designed based on the "available" wheel clearance.

A very good starting point for wheels would be INNOV8. Awesome guys over there. They would probably be happy to help you with engineering drawings.

Another great wheel company is METHOD and KMC. Again, I have heard good things about both about their design teams.

A 17” kit will really give you a unique product in a much desired niche.

Warren-RB · Oct 4, 2023

mpardun said:
In addition to the desire to have a smaller (more effective) front solution for off-road. The rear is also a pain in the ass for Brake manufacturers because of the electronic Parking Brake on the TRX (and several other vehicles). Alcon, Willwood, Stop-Tech, Brembo, etc. - nobody will touch the TRX rear, except for Rotora/F1 Concepts...a made to order Chinese product (no thanks for me, but many folks have/carry them, including several forum sponsors). What's crazy, is that they are the same price as a BREMBO GT big brake kit. Eventually, the big boys saw the light on the Raptor rear (also electronic), invested in designing a solution and made that happen. I would argue that TRX customer base is large enough now that demand should not be an issue at all...especially seeing how active and engaged this forum is! I thought I'd have to just got to hurry up and wait - until saw RB join the forum (I hope). I'd love to see a full (USA or EU made) kit offered for TRX. As for me, I just bought the Alcon front kit from 797 - which WILL fit under both styles of stock 18' wheels. Now I need a rear solution - although I suspect that the Alcon front solution will dramatically improve the braking and fade profile of factory - I'd still like to do better on the rear as well. I guess I'll just be painting the rears to match the Alcon's for now and see how she goes.

I do agree that rear ePB should stay intact w/o being altered. It's what we call "integrated" rear brake; the hydraulic caliper serves for the stopping while the ePB serves parking.

"Integrated" means it should not be separated or it's integrity may be impaired.
Another alternative for the rear is a "separated" parking brake like you will see in some of the high end cars:

Mustang GT500
Corvette C8
Ferrari 458
McLaren 570/720
Tesla S

A rear caliper adaptor is used to space the caliper out for a bigger rotors w/o messing around the parking brake caliper.

Corvette C8 rear RB BBK (CCB upgrade) - OE parking brake caliper

Tesla S Rear RB BBK (CCB Upgrade) - OE parking brake caliper

Mustang GT500 w/Rear parking brake (370x28mm)

Moabtj · Oct 4, 2023

DanZman said:
If you want to stand out from the competition; make your kit fit under 17” wheels. People have been begging for this.

PLEASE DO AA KIT TO FIT 17” WHEELS.

Moabtj · Oct 4, 2023

RTG said:
Going to 17 gets you tires with crap speed rating. Not what most TRX owners want.

17" fans are loyal to their cause but the broadest appeal is for OEM 18" wheels with brakes that won't fade after driving like an idiot for a few minutes. We want a whole kit, including fluid and everything an installer needs to make a meaningful difference in high speed braking performance. Going to 19" again gives crap speed ratings and causes us to waste money on wheels that could otherwise go into the Brake companies pocket. 18" kit is the ticket to my AMEX number and to your TRX sponsorship success.

Why are trophy trucks running 17” wheels?

Moabtj · Oct 5, 2023

Count me in for a set that fits 17” wheels

Dudebro · Oct 5, 2023

Innov8, wheel pros (makes kmc, black rhino, etc), method, tr beadlocks, ultra, etc. These are all brands that trx owners would likely run that widely produce 17” wheels

Dudebro · Oct 5, 2023

Moabtj said:
Why are trophy trucks running 17” wheels?

Tire availability is a big factor. There are a couple teams running 18 but they’re on 40 inch tires too

RTG · Oct 5, 2023

Moabtj said:
Why are trophy trucks running 17” wheels?

Because they do what 99% of TRX owners don't do. If making a TRX specific brake package, you would be stupid to produce it for anything other than OEM wheels.

Warren-RB · Oct 5, 2023

DanZman said:
A very good starting point for wheels would be INNOV8. Awesome guys over there. They would probably be happy to help you with engineering drawings.

Another great wheel company is METHOD and KMC. Again, I have heard good things about both about their design teams.

A 17” kit will really give you a unique product in a much desired niche.

Dudebro said:
Innov8, wheel pros (makes kmc, black rhino, etc), method, tr beadlocks, ultra, etc. These are all brands that trx owners would likely run that widely produce 17” wheels

Thanks for the input. Rim request was sent.