Ben Hardy TRX Video - Out of Commission

Curious why you say you can’t engine brake a truck. With the brakes on the trx being so smallI assumed I would be using the brakes and motor to slow down. Not saying redlined all the time. Just an assist.

i was also wishing we could see the detailed gauges.
You don't want to engine break anything other than a diesel. Gas engines aren't built for it (not strong enough), and it generates way to much heat and stress. Thats what the brakes are for. Plus you add instability to the driveline train and tires and will lock it up.
 
You don't want to engine break anything other than a diesel. Gas engines aren't built for it (not strong enough), and it generates way to much heat and stress. Thats what the brakes are for. Plus you add instability to the driveline train and tires and will lock it up.
I’m new to trucks but every sportscar I have had, I would be cracking down through the gears during braking before corner entry. Agree it destabilizes the vehicle so shouldn’t generally be done while near the limit of grip but first I’m hearing your perspective
 
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I’m new to trucks but every sportscar I have had, I would be cracking down through the gears during braking before corner entry. Agree it destabilizes the vehicle so shouldn’t generally be done while near the limit of grip but first I’m hearing your perspective
You have big brakes in the cars for a reason, engine breaking continues to generate heat, which you should be cycling off during breaking periods because your off the gas, but still flowing air, your putting heat into the breaks at that point, giving the motor a break, then back on the gas.
 
Curious why you say you can’t engine brake a truck. With the brakes on the trx being so smallI assumed I would be using the brakes and motor to slow down. Not saying redlined all the time. Just an assist.

i was also wishing we could see the detailed gauges.
The brakes aren't small, they lack the number of pistons I would prefer but they aren't small. First mod for me will be braded brake lines and high performance brake fluid.
 
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You have big brakes in the cars for a reason, engine breaking continues to generate heat, which you should be cycling off during breaking periods because your off the gas, but still flowing air, your putting heat into the breaks at that point, giving the motor a break, then back on the gas.
Maybe I’m dense but I can’t picture it. What would you be doing after a long straight entering and through braking zone? What are you doing during the corner?
 
Things puking fluid and he's still driving it🤦. Warranty doesn't cover neglegence or abuse. I get it should be right but fuck man why tear it up and make it worse. The more work they have to do the higher the chance of more issues down the road. He's lucky he had someone with him, I doubt they'd last out there very long by themselves 🤣🤣🤣.
 
There's a couple of ways to think about engine braking.

As @Variable knows, there's a reason that we are taught to use brakes only for for slowing down and rev matching on track (and on the road) with manual transmissions. Automatic transmissions and auto-blip manual transmissions (to some degree) take engine braking out of the equation ... sequentials are different and there's no need to get into them because they're not relevant to the TRX.

That said, having driven the TRX for a couple of hundred miles, I would personally discount the engine braking explanation for whatever happened here. Even in sport mode there's very little engine braking coded into the transmission. In auto mode this thing has enough weight generated inertia at 70mph that it will coast for ten thousand miles on flat ground. :)

Generally on street sports cars the downside of using gears to slow down, either for the pops/burbles or just because, is an issue that will affect the transmission over time, not give up the ghost at the start ... the only exception being manually downshifting into 2nd at 100mph which I'm not sure the programming won't allow this truck to do anyway.

Listen, we've seen trucks on this forum dump their oil because someone forgot to attach a hose ... this could be something similar that has happened here, or it could be a manufacturing defect in the transmission, or the whole thing could be a setup for clicks and Ford tribalism. The only way to really know is to have a neutral person look at the truck.

But again, in in my humble opinion although engine braking might have been a contributing factor, it is unlikely that this alone caused this failure on its own.
 
Maybe I’m dense but I can’t picture it. What would you be doing after a long straight entering and through braking zone? What are you doing during the corner?
You get your braking in and then start your downshifts, that way your RPMS have dropped and your downshift are in the 50% range of your max RPM threshold or less.
 
There's a couple of ways to think about engine braking.

As @Variable knows, there's a reason that we are taught to use brakes only for for slowing down and rev matching on track (and on the road) with manual transmissions. Automatic transmissions and auto-blip manual transmissions (to some degree) take engine braking out of the equation ... sequentials are different and there's no need to get into them because they're not relevant to the TRX.

That said, having driven the TRX for a couple of hundred miles, I would personally discount the engine braking explanation for whatever happened here. Even in sport mode there's very little engine braking coded into the transmission. In auto mode this thing has enough weight generated inertia at 70mph will coast for ten thousand miles on flat ground. :)

Generally on street sports cars the downside of using gears to slow down, either for the pops/burbles or just because, is an issue that will affect the transmission over time, not give up the ghost at the start ... the only exception being manually downshifting into 2nd at 100mph which I'm not sure the programming won't allow this truck to do anyway.

Listen, we've seen trucks on this forum dump their oil because someone forgot to attach a hose ... this could be something similar that has happened here, or it could be a manufacturing defect in the transmission, or the whole thing could be a setup for clicks and Ford tribalism. The only way to really know is to have a neutral person look at the truck.

But again, in in my humble opinion although engine braking might have been a contributing factor, it is unlikely that this alone caused this failure on its own.
Yes, rev matching while still on the brakes. Thats why your heal toeing. Your not transferring all that load to the drive train (transmission). Automatic transmissions are worse (Enter last Gen Z06 puking its brains out after a hot lap)
 
You get your braking in and then start your downshifts, that way your RPMS have dropped and your downshift are in the 50% range of your max RPM threshold or less.
Ok. This goes against everything I’ve been taught on racetrack using street/racecars but I’ll take your word for it. So with paddles you are saying brake brake brake, downshift downshift downshift, turn in, maintenance throttle?
 
He's shoving
Ok. This goes against everything I’ve been taught on racetrack using street/racecars but I’ll take your word for it. So with paddles you are saying brake brake brake, downshift downshift downshift, turn in, maintenance throttle?
Exactly.
 
Yes, rev matching while still on the brakes. Thats why your heal toeing. Your not transferring all that load to the drive train (transmission). Automatic transmissions are worse (Enter last Gen Z06 puking its brains out after a hot lap)
Nvm. I’ll figure it out. I think we are saying the same thing, just disagreeing with when to pop the downshift. I’ve always done it as soon as I wouldn’t be bouncing the redline
 
Yes, rev matching while still on the brakes. Thats why your heal toeing. Your not transferring all that load to the drive train (transmission). Automatic transmissions are worse (Enter last Gen Z06 puking its brains out after a hot lap)

I completely agree with you ... but this truck doesn't have an available drive mode that's even close to being as aggressive on the transmission as the C7 Z06 in its various track modes, plus the pressure in the systems just wasn't there the way he was driving in the video. Yes he's a shit driver, so much so that he's actually not able to push the truck to its limits.

Anyway I defer to you because you are much more technically knowledgable than I am ... but I just haven't found a drive mode (much less ambient temps) that generate enough engine braking to cause any problem. In fact it stands to logic that part of the foundational reason that there might be a need to upgrade the brakes is as a result of insufficient engine braking.

The only way around this is if he was flappy paddling it down to oblivion ... maybe I missed it but it just looked to me that he had in some sort of custom drive mode and the truck was doing the shifting.

Anyway, love the minutia talk but I do't think we'll ever know what really happened here ... and my suspicion is that that's by deign.
 
But again, in in my humble opinion although engine braking might have been a contributing factor, it is unlikely that this alone caused this failure on its own.

im with you. With a couple hundred miles on board I can’t make any rationale why this happened except there is a lot wrong with this vehicle and we are scratching the surface or this was a setup.

I have not been friendly to a lot of my fast vehicles. Frankly I abused them. They can take it at least 20-40k miles. This is sad and quite frankly getting to a point where I’m not sure I would want to take my family on a trip with it because of fear of being stranded.
 
We don't know what he did before he started the video, but if you watch him at about 4 minutes in, listen to the engine and just watch the RPM clusters he's reving it out, engine braking on the limiter almost and commenting that he hasn't figures out where to shit the truck.
 
CC testing last spring. Listen to the engine vs the drive trane.
10-4. We are saying the same thing. Misunderstood what you meant
 
im with you. With a couple hundred miles on board I can’t make any rationale why this happened except there is a lot wrong with this vehicle and we are scratching the surface or this was a setup.

I have not been friendly to a lot of my fast vehicles. Frankly I abused them. They can take it at least 20-40k miles. This is sad and quite frankly getting to a point where I’m not sure I would want to take my family on a trip with it because of fear of being stranded.
As long as your not suffering from any of the big singular issues, own the truck. Love the truck and have fun with fucker.
I'll be the first to tell you if there is a probblem. I spent 8 months burning my second Viper to the ground on the track (TA). I have four gen 5 Vipers, 2013 (converted to a Prefix 9 Liter), 2014 TA, 2016 ACRE, and 2017 ACRE.
 

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