IGLA “sticker”?

[Air’d outSRT]

Putin has bigger problems right now than unlicensed stickers for his crap. print whatever you want nothing is going to happen to you.

Ahh the ignorance again. Would it surprise you that the IGLA company, Author Alarms is in business with and uses Ukrainian companies . I guess because they are in the country the follow putin huh. Stupidity at its finest.

 

[Air’d outSRT]

What are the chances that you personally could defeat an IGLA protected vehicle? Specifically, one where you were not the installer.

Defeat as in bypass, not happening. Defeat as in rip the entire vehicle apart to get to the harnesses and the cut them all open looking for it and not cutting/shorting out any wires maybe but its a game of chance just like anything else, could be 30 minutes and the first harness you open or it could be a week and the last one. Thats not defeating anything because you can just remove the entire harness and replace it faster and then drive it away

 

[DefusE]

Umm, there is no defeating it.

That right there is a very critical flaw in your logic. Anything can be compromised given enough time, tenacity, and most importantly, intel on what you are trying to compromise.


One day, the IGLA system will be bypassed and the information on how to repeat the bypass will get out. Now, those of you with those stickers have told your adversaries exactly what technique to use to compromise your defenses.

 

[84 Sheepdog]

I'm pretty sure most thieves that see the sticker and know what it is would just move on to an easier target. If they can steal one of these with no security in less a minute I'd think those are the vehicles they are going to go after.

 

[Air’d outSRT]

That right there is a very critical flaw in your logic. Anything can be compromised given enough time, tenacity, and most importantly, intel on what you are trying to compromise.


One day, the IGLA system will be bypassed and the information on how to repeat the bypass will get out. Now, those of you with those stickers have told your adversaries exactly what technique to use to compromise your defenses.

You obviously do not know what IGLA is or how it works. You are not bypassing or getting around it unless you rip the vehicle apart and try and find it. I can tell you will 100% certainty that I am not worried one bit about it. It doesn’t even give off an electronic signature so they can’t bypass something that isn’t there. There also isn’t anything it is trying to compromise, it captures the start sequence algorithm and sends a false one. You do you though.

 

[DefusE]

You obviously do not know what IGLA is or how it works. You are not bypassing or getting around it unless you rip the vehicle apart and try and find it. I can tell you will 100% certainty that I am not worried one bit about it. It doesn’t even give off an electronic signature so they can’t bypass something that isn’t there. There also isn’t anything it is trying to compromise, it captures the start sequence algorithm and sends a false one. You do you though.

Yep. Your electronic device is special and there is no possible way to bypass it. What was I thinking... I have some beachfront property in Nevada. You wanna buy it?

 

[Air’d outSRT]

Yep. Your electronic device is special and there is no possible way to bypass it. What was I thinking... I have some beachfront property in Nevada. You wanna buy it?

You are correct, there is no way to electronically bypass it. Sometimes if you don’t know something or how something actually works its probably best to just do some actual research or find something else more suited for yourself to use.

 

[DefusE]

You are correct, there is no way to electronically bypass it. Sometimes if you don’t know something or how something actually works its probably best to just do some actual research or find something else more suited for yourself to use.

Hah. I miss the days of that kind of blissful ignorance.

 

[RaptorTillNow]

Yep. Your electronic device is special and there is no possible way to bypass it. What was I thinking... I have some beachfront property in Nevada. You wanna buy it?

Dude... why the hate? You clearly don't want to have any security in your truck, fine. I hope it doesn't get stolen.

But why hate on the ones that do? IGLA (and revelco) is, from everything I have read, the best solution (s) to protect the beast from being stolen, add in the compustar t13 with drone, and it is even more secure.

But as stated, if you don't want it... fine. I just don't get all the hate...

 

[Air’d outSRT]

Hah. I miss the days of that kind of blissful ignorance.

Don’t confuse facts with ignorance. Ignorance goes something like this. Someone makes a false statement/comment and when corrected by someone that states facts they continue to think they are correct instead of spending a few minutes looking up said facts so that they would have to knowledge to then make an educated decision on an anti theft or well, anything and thus not sound like a petty child. You are not bypassing it, there is nothing to bypass. Have a great rest of your day.

 

[DefusE]

Dude... why the hate? You clearly don't want to have any security in your truck, fine. I hope it doesn't get stolen.

But why hate on the ones that do? IGLA (and revelco) is, from everything I have read, the best solution (s) to protect the beast from being stolen, add in the compustar t13 with drone, and it is even more secure.

But as stated, if you don't want it... fine. I just don't get all the hate...

No hate at all. I just happen to know that everything can be bypassed, hacked, defeated, insert your adjective here given enough time and resources. It's quite apparent that others in the thread have not learned that lesson.

To be clear. I have both an IGLA and T13. They are good systems but not the be all end all.

 

[Air’d outSRT]

No hate at all. I just happen to know that everything can be bypassed, hacked, defeated, insert your adjective here given enough time and resources. It's quite apparent that others in the thread have not learned that lesson.

To be clear. I have both an IGLA and T13. They are good systems but not the be all end all.

I have several T13’s, that is an add on remote kit for several different compustar systems. As for the IGLA it can’t be bypassed, it gives off no electronic signature until you enter the pin code, pretty sure I have said it to you several times. Obviously it hasn’t been read. Good luck with it.

 

[DefusE]

I have several T13’s, that is an add on remote kit for several different compustar systems. As for the IGLA it can’t be bypassed, it gives off no electronic signature until you enter the pin code, pretty sure I have said it to you several times. Obviously it hasn’t been read. Good luck with it.

It's been read bud. I just don't really feel like going through the keystrokes to enumerate how you are wrong. It's clear you have your mind made up and are set in that decision, as such I am not willing to waste anymore of my time with you. Best of luck.

 

[Airmousam]

Sure, anything can happen bro..we have world peace...Putin and Elon open a chain of wing restaurants, rocket to #1, then merge with Lowes and Verizon and hire only midget strippers...sky is the limit on what the future looks like.

 

[marksoup]

Some of us do, I have a bunch made and can order more, can mail you 2 if your interested. $12 shipped. I also have leather covers for the IGLA fobs. $10 each if added to the same shipping. Only have those 2 colors but can get others next order.

I have these on my driver and passenger windows as a visual deterrent. My installer in TX sent me some.

 

[Stefan]

What are the chances that you personally could defeat an IGLA protected vehicle? Specifically, one where you were not the installer.

99% if I have the time not to break everything when taking it apart, pretty simple just find it and strip it out. So far I know no one that is able to permanently connect any aftermarket theft deterrent device to a car that anyone with a qualified CAN acces cannot remove and reprogram. The vehicle manufacturers could do it easy but as long as insurance premiums don't decrease their sales they don't care.
I have put theft deterrent devices in all my high value cars myself btw. and those are none of the ones mentioned here.

 

[Air’d outSRT]

99% if I have the time not to break everything when taking it apart, pretty simple just find it and strip it out. So far I know no one that is able to permanently connect any aftermarket theft deterrent device to a car that anyone with a qualified CAN acces cannot remove and reprogram. The vehicle manufacturers could do it easy but as long as insurance premiums don't decrease their sales they don't care.
I have put theft deterrent devices in all my high value cars myself btw. and those are none of the ones mentioned here.

So what your saying is someone with a qualified can access can find an IGLA or reprogram it? Thats a big negative.

 

[Stefan]

It's actually even more simple then that, the anti theft devices I have looked at all work pretty similar, they are small and can be well hidden (that's their only real protection against disabling them) and are tied into the vehicle CAN bus where they prevent starting, shifting into gear or whatever unless their means of authentication is present. That is usually a button sequence, a RF/bluetooth keyfob or just your bluetooth phone.
These things are not bonded/mated/authenticated to the vehicle(engine/security ecu), if they would be they could be removed but the vehicle would not start.
The manufacturers actually could have implemented an infrastructure (authentication/encryption) in which news keys and ECU's can not be easily programmed to the vehicle (CAN-Access) decades ago but they want to keep selling new cars for the stolen ones. In the case of our TRX's they rip out the light switch because that seems to be the easiest access to the CAN behind the security gateway which just acts as a filter.
Ravelco seems even more simple then Bells first telephone, it just looks like a bunch of wildly crossed wires, maybe some resistors and crossconnections thrown in. Nothing any good electronics guy cannot figure out with a voltmeter given the time, think there's even a Video out there of that.

So I personally don't get the hype about the devices on here, they are only a first line of defense, after that you need tracking and you need to take action yourself.

If I find this in your car/truck I would just cut it out wire by wire and start programming the new key (which I don't know how to do btw)

To answer more clearly, the CAN access is only needed for programming a new key, this thing right here can be manually found in the wire loom and cut out...

 

[Air’d outSRT]

It's actually even more simple then that, the anti theft devices I have looked at all work pretty similar, they are small and can be well hidden (that's their only real protection against disabling them) and are tied into the vehicle CAN bus where they prevent starting, shifting into gear or whatever unless their means of authentication is present. That is usually a button sequence, a RF/bluetooth keyfob or just your bluetooth phone.
These things are not bonded/mated/authenticated to the vehicle(engine/security ecu), if they would be they could be removed but the vehicle would not start.
The manufacturers actually could have implemented an infrastructure (authentication/encryption) in which news keys and ECU's can not be easily programmed to the vehicle (CAN-Access) decades ago but they want to keep selling new cars for the stolen ones. In the case of our TRX's they rip out the light switch because that seems to be the easiest access to the CAN behind the security gateway which just acts as a filter.
Ravelco seems even more simple then Bells first telephone, it just looks like a bunch of wildly crossed wires, maybe some resistors and crossconnections thrown in. Nothing any good electronics guy cannot figure out with a voltmeter given the time, think there's even a Video out there of that.

So I personally don't get the hype about the devices on here, they are only a first line of defense, after that you need tracking and you need to take action yourself.

If I find this in your car/truck I would just cut it out wire by wire and start programming the new key (which I don't know how to do btw)

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To answer more clearly, the CAN access is only needed for programming a new key, this thing right here can be manually found in the wire loom and cut out...

I have already stated on several occasions that it just like anything else can be removed and that is why only authorized installers are able to get and install them. You are not going to locate or bypass one electronically, that is just not happening. I know how how they hook up and make a new fob, I also make fobs/keys but again, you are not doing that on a mopar with an IGLA installed unless you put it into service mode. Go back, just a couple posts and read what was actually written, it clearly states what would be needed to find and remove one.

 

[Air’d outSRT]

It's actually even more simple then that, the anti theft devices I have looked at all work pretty similar, they are small and can be well hidden (that's their only real protection against disabling them) and are tied into the vehicle CAN bus where they prevent starting, shifting into gear or whatever unless their means of authentication is present. That is usually a button sequence, a RF/bluetooth keyfob or just your bluetooth phone.
These things are not bonded/mated/authenticated to the vehicle(engine/security ecu), if they would be they could be removed but the vehicle would not start.
The manufacturers actually could have implemented an infrastructure (authentication/encryption) in which news keys and ECU's can not be easily programmed to the vehicle (CAN-Access) decades ago but they want to keep selling new cars for the stolen ones. In the case of our TRX's they rip out the light switch because that seems to be the easiest access to the CAN behind the security gateway which just acts as a filter.
Ravelco seems even more simple then Bells first telephone, it just looks like a bunch of wildly crossed wires, maybe some resistors and crossconnections thrown in. Nothing any good electronics guy cannot figure out with a voltmeter given the time, think there's even a Video out there of that.

So I personally don't get the hype about the devices on here, they are only a first line of defense, after that you need tracking and you need to take action yourself.

If I find this in your car/truck I would just cut it out wire by wire and start programming the new key (which I don't know how to do btw)

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To answer more clearly, the CAN access is only needed for programming a new key, this thing right here can be manually found in the wire loom and cut out...

Ravelco has nothing but wires going to a specific circuit and then cutting that wire and putting each to a set of black ravelco wires. The cap itself is what completes the circuit and no multimeter needed. Simply follow the metal loom and then wires to the end point and reconnect a few wires. One of our albino raccoons could do it.