From TRX to RHO?

[SandBlastard]

If Ram followed Ford's approach and started with a lower power version (e.g. the RHO) and then released the TRX, I don't think the consensus would be that the RHO was a failure.

Buuuuuutttttttt..... they didn't. And here we are. My opinion is based on the reality of the situation, not hypotheticals.

 

[PhoenixTRX]

I know we are all speculating, but i would be very surprised to see a 392 TRX. Whether V-8 fanatics like it or not, the 3.0 TT will smoke that engine - especially in a truck this heavy. The 392 just can't come close to matching the HP/TQ under the curve. So, they would be releasing a much slower (dare I say weaker?) truck than the RHO when a lot of people (many of which are on here!) are saying how pathetic the RHO already is! I guess when an RHO blows past a 392 TRX like it's standing still, the driver could yell "but do you hear my exhaust note when you passed me?". Yes, we all love the TRX because it sounds great - but it's obviously fast as well. To have a great exhaust note in a truck that looks like this but is slow as hell (relatively speaking) doesn't seem like it would appeal to many. Now, if the base price was 60k, that's a different story - but I don't see that happening.

I agree - at this point and era too. The 6.4 rumors and test mule were circa 23'. More so interesting alternative potential... keeping the same body/but a 'TRX-Lite' version, and would have bridged the gap between buying a 2500 Power Wagon (often an upgrade when Jeep and 4Runner fan boys realize their Overland farkles have grossly overloaded their vehicles! I think with a base model platform and optional 'package' (Overland/Hunters/Budget conscious or even for those wanting to do a full build and replacing parts anyways) it could have started at $60k (back then). Actually make it $59,995 for 'zero option' viral attention.

I guess when an RHO blows past a 392 TRX like it's standing still, the driver could yell "but do you hear my exhaust note when you passed me?". <- Reminds me of those Verizon ads "can you hear me now?"

To have a great exhaust note in a truck that looks like this but is slow as hell (relatively speaking) doesn't seem like it would appeal to many. <- Reminds me of ALL my past Harleys! My Road Glide sounded like a WW2 Bomber on the highway however my daily drivers were (workplace) Tahoes/Suburbans with Magnuson Superchargers. Never had a Harley that was faster than my daily LOL. I remember seeing the first footage of the Gen2 Raptor in action (I believe a Foutz Motorsports/Ford test platform) and the exhaust sounded like a Subaru with a stolen catalytic converter. Some assumed something was internally wrong with the engine. As I've written before - my Gen2 was like dating an attractive/intelligent girl but during coital bliss at full throttle she sounded like Fran Drescher.

 

[PhoenixTRX]

Does everyone say that about the Raptor? My guess is no. I think the RHO is superior to the Raptor in every way. If Ram followed Ford's approach and started with a lower power version (e.g. the RHO) and then released the TRX, I don't think the consensus would be that the RHO was a failure. I think it's a pretty bad ass truck - and other than missing the exhaust note and a little bit of performance vs. the TRX, I'm not sure how you get to the conclusion that it's a failure. 75% or 80% of the TRX performance, identical chassis, same looks and better interior for 30k less (or 35-40k less if compared to FE) doesn't equate to a fail in my book.

Agree on many points...and for many, no doubt more than adequate! The RHO makes a lot of sense and counters the TTV6 Raptor too. It's a shame hearing about some initial issues plaguing them and curious as to the performance/tuning potential (although I understand the transmission is somewhat limited as to HP capability?).

We fortunately purchased our TRX in a great $ era ....however I do miss my Raptors, 2wd and left foot braking/pivoting with ease and the endless aftermarket and large off-road communities/runs (especially here in the SW). I still ponder a Gen3 with 37s now local lots are starting to have inventory but 'ain't paying addendums nor MSRP' (paid $81k from Granger for Lvl2 TRX that was price locked with the factory order. MSRP was $93,700 at delivery!).

I'd like to think that the RHO will increase the commonality of this platform and aftermarket but don't feel the market desire will ever be robust (enough). When I'm at SEMA again in November this may prove evident. It's frustrating while Ford is providing easy mounting locations/even wiring routing for lights on the Broncos, modular bumpers, etc. which easy aftermarket installs.

TRX + 702hp HELLCAT is 'Magic' for the kids - just returned from dropping them off at preschool/school (despite buying a frugal Toyota Sienna XSE) their beloved TRX - from cold start to classmates at afternoon pick up motioning to me to REV IT at pick-up line creates fun memories! Way better than my Dad dropping me off with Neil Diamond or Luciano Pavarotti blasting from his 8-track player from his base model company car!

 

[IdahoKTM]

Does everyone say that about the Raptor? My guess is no. I think the RHO is superior to the Raptor in every way. If Ram followed Ford's approach and started with a lower power version (e.g. the RHO) and then released the TRX, I don't think the consensus would be that the RHO was a failure. I think it's a pretty bad ass truck - and other than missing the exhaust note and a little bit of performance vs. the TRX, I'm not sure how you get to the conclusion that it's a failure. 75% or 80% of the TRX performance, identical chassis, same looks and better interior for 30k less (or 35-40k less if compared to FE) doesn't equate to a fail in my book.

I agree that the RHO is better than the Raptor, but you're exaggerating the price difference. You have a Lunar Edition, so you know it was ~$106k. The RHO with similar options is ~$89k, so the difference is less than $20k. The FE's pricing was stupid high, so comparing the RHO price to the FE just looks like you're trying to sell the RHO. The FE wasn't $40k more than an RHO with similar options.

 

[js59]

FWIW, I'm not trying to sell the RHO - I had one ordered and went with the TRX with no regrets. But, you are comparing a 2023 to a 2025. Here is a window sticker of a 2024 non-FE. The base was 95k and change - a bit over 25k higher and than a base 2025 RHO. This truck is also equipped almost identically to the RHO I ordered - even down the red interior accents. And it's just north of 25k more than the RHO I ordered ($87,460). Plus the RHO has more bells and whistles on the interior (carbon fiber (which was extra on the TRX), larger screen, passenger screen, massaging seats, self-driving) - so I still think the 2024 TRX to 2025 RHO delta is more than 25k if we are looking at apples to apples.

Window Sticker for 2024 Ram 1500 Trx 4x4 Crew Cab 5'7" Box

Again, I love my TRX - but it's at a different price point and I still think the RHO is a damn good truck. Other than the batteries/electrical BS.

 

[IdahoKTM]

FWIW, I'm not trying to sell the RHO - I had one ordered and went with the TRX with no regrets. But, you are comparing a 2023 to a 2025. Here is a window sticker of a 2024 non-FE. The base was 95k and change - a bit over 25k higher and than a base 2025 RHO. This truck is also equipped almost identically to the RHO I ordered - even down the red interior accents. And it's just north of 25k more than the RHO I ordered ($87,460). Plus the RHO has more bells and whistles on the interior (carbon fiber (which was extra on the TRX), larger screen, passenger screen, massaging seats, self-driving) - so I still think the 2024 TRX to 2025 RHO delta is more than 25k if we are looking at apples to apples.

Window Sticker for 2024 Ram 1500 Trx 4x4 Crew Cab 5'7" Box

Again, I love my TRX - but it's at a different price point and I still think the RHO is a damn good truck. Other than the batteries/electrical BS.

I'm not disagreeing about the RHO being a good truck. It's plagued with gremlins right now, but those things will get worked out and I'm sure it will end up being a good seller for Ram.

The price of the '24 FE's jumped $20k from the '23 SE's without adding anything but a fancy splash screen. That's almost 3 times higher than the previous year's price increases on the SE's. The Peasant Edition '24's were about $8k more than a '23 SE, so even those aren't a fair comparison.

 

[js59]

I'm not disagreeing about the RHO being a good truck. It's plagued with gremlins right now, but those things will get worked out and I'm sure it will end up being a good seller for Ram.

The price of the '24 FE's jumped $20k from the '23 SE's without adding anything but a fancy splash screen. That's almost 3 times higher than the previous year's price increases on the SE's. The Peasant Edition '24's were about $8k more than a '23 SE, so even those aren't a fair comparison.

Bidenomics baby!

 

[IdahoKTM]

Bidenomics baby!

Nah. The pricing of the 24's was pure Stellantis greed.

 

[Airmousam]

Agree on many points...and for many, no doubt more than adequate! The RHO makes a lot of sense and counters the TTV6 Raptor too. It's a shame hearing about some initial issues plaguing them and curious as to the performance/tuning potential (although I understand the transmission is somewhat limited as to HP capability?).

We fortunately purchased our TRX in a great $ era ....however I do miss my Raptors, 2wd and left foot braking/pivoting with ease and the endless aftermarket and large off-road communities/runs (especially here in the SW). I still ponder a Gen3 with 37s now local lots are starting to have inventory but 'ain't paying addendums nor MSRP' (paid $81k from Granger for Lvl2 TRX that was price locked with the factory order. MSRP was $93,700 at delivery!).

I'd like to think that the RHO will increase the commonality of this platform and aftermarket but don't feel the market desire will ever be robust (enough). When I'm at SEMA again in November this may prove evident. It's frustrating while Ford is providing easy mounting locations/even wiring routing for lights on the Broncos, modular bumpers, etc. which easy aftermarket installs.

TRX + 702hp HELLCAT is 'Magic' for the kids - just returned from dropping them off at preschool/school (despite buying a frugal Toyota Sienna XSE) their beloved TRX - from cold start to classmates at afternoon pick up motioning to me to REV IT at pick-up line creates fun memories! Way better than my Dad dropping me off with Neil Diamond or Luciano Pavarotti blasting from his 8-track player from his base model company car!

Funny! Reminds me...previous boss..prob mid 90s telling about his brand new F150...Thing is loaded, even has the high output heater. I saw it, it was in fact not loaded

 

[Trxdentist]

RHO= garbage hence the v8 5.7 is coming back out.
Literally one caught fire coming of the trailer to the dealer near my house. Mexico assembly is garbage!!

It’s got 60k and what
That means time to start replacing shit and upgrading them.

Motor wise, I’d rather down the line do a red eye/ jail break internal upgrade and freshen it up and then push it to 1200 hp

 

[Trxdentist]

Bro this is like saying my wife has double Ds and after 10 yrs together either pep them up or down size them

We all know you would say it’s time for some E’s lol

 

[js59]

RHO= garbage hence the v8 5.7 is coming back out.
Literally one caught fire coming of the trailer to the dealer near my house. Mexico assembly is garbage!!

It’s got 60k and what
That means time to start replacing shit and upgrading them.

Motor wise, I’d rather down the line do a red eye/ jail break internal upgrade and freshen it up and then push it to 1200 hp

Your theory is that the 5.7 is going in the RHO to make it "good"? If so, that is truly amusing. I'm sure an 8 second 0-60 will make them fly off the lots. No way will they put the 5.7 in a 6,300 lb performance truck - good exhaust note or not.

 

[Trxdentist]

Your theory is that the 5.7 is going in the RHO to make it "good"? If so, that is truly amusing. I'm sure an 8 second 0-60 will make them fly off the lots. No way will they put the 5.7 in a 6,300 lb performance truck - good exhaust note or not.

Oh ya I didn’t mean the 5.7 in the rho, I meant as there main work horse motor. The hurricane still makes way more power but has way to many issues.

 

[DMR]

6.4 Scat RHO or 3.0 Hurricane RHO? I am taking the 6.4 even though it is slower than the 6 turbo… although not sure they will make one. At least it would sound like a truck and not a bmw sedan/mid sized suv. Don’t need to worry about that decision because I am keeping the hellcat TRX forever, especially for the bargain price of $79k level 1 back in 2022.

 

[Two]

Literally one caught fire coming of the trailer to the dealer near my house. Mexico assembly is garbage!!

Motor wise, I’d rather down the line do a red eye/ jail break internal upgrade and freshen it up and then push it to 1200 hp

In my experience, Rams coming out of Saltillo have superior fit and finish over the US built ones.

As an aside. "jail break" was what they called the opportunity to mix and match options that previously weren't available together. The Redeye on the other hand was an actual option.

 

[Airmousam]

Literally one caught fire coming of the trailer to the dealer near my house. Mexico assembly is garbage!!

Painting with a pretty broad brush there.. My 2021 Mexican Power Wagon with 58k miles has been flawless..Oil changes and a set of tires. Most reliable truck I've owned...Any pics of this Mexican truck engulfed in flames? I'll wait..

 

[TRXMIKE]

Painting with a pretty broad brush there.. My 2021 Mexican Power Wagon with 58k miles has been flawless..Oil changes and a set of tires. Most reliable truck I've owned...Any pics of this Mexican truck engulfed in flames? I'll wait..

I know I know but I had to!

 

[Airmousam]

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I know I know but I had to!

That is awesome dude...took me a second to see taco...well done!

 

[js59]

6.4 Scat RHO or 3.0 Hurricane RHO? I am taking the 6.4 even though it is slower than the 6 turbo… although not sure they will make one. At least it would sound like a truck and not a bmw sedan/mid sized suv. Don’t need to worry about that decision because I am keeping the hellcat TRX forever, especially for the bargain price of $79k level 1 back in 2022.

The 6.4 would draw some attention. The extra power would make it respectable - but still tough to go backwards performance-wise. Guessing 0-60 would be mid-5s with that engine??

 

[@JC]

6.4 Scat RHO or 3.0 Hurricane RHO?

If it's the 6.4 SRT V8 (hopefully tweaked for even a little bit more HP/Tq) for sure, if it's the dog ass slow 6.4 MDS V8 from the 2500's then nope.