California emissions question - regarding registration

[916Ghost]

Most dealers are just opting for the CA emissions so that way the car can just go anywhere

 

[AnthonyRI]

Most dealers are just opting for the CA emissions so that way the car can just go anywhere

When we order the vehicles there is no option in the software to select CA emissions. After the order is submitted and generates a VON#, we have to submit a CA emissions request form showing who/where we are, who/where it's going, and why a FED state dealer needs a CARB compliant vehicle (copy paste: "Sold order for customer in XX state")

That form goes to our regional RAM supply chain manager and the VOIM team (Vehicle Ordering & Inventory Management) @ Ram, who then has to update the codes on the build.

I've never tried to order one with CARB just for fun when not necessary, so I cannot speak to whether or not it can be done - but I'm fairly certain for Dealer Stock vehicles they'd deny the form submission (first thing when placing an order is selecting Stock or Sold, because on many trims there are restrictions on what can be stocked versus sold-order, don't get me started on the Jeeps currently lol)

 

[Two]

...don't get me started on the Jeeps currently lol)

What? You don't have customers standing in line to get a 4Xe??

 

[the_wolperting]

Having an address in Montana has been a really nice thing for me over the years. I've registered a number of vehicles there. Zero sales tax and very low fees. I understand the registration rules in California (and other CARB compliant states) very well, only because I've moved vehicles from Montana to California. The most important thing is to pass a VIN inspection, which includes a visual verification of the emissions label on the hood. You can bring a vehicle into California if it only has Federal Emissions if it either is 2 years old or has more than 7500 miles. If you bring a vehicle into California that is over 1 year old it does not require payment of sales tax.

With my Raptor (recently sold) I bought it out of state without California emissions. When I picked up the truck it turns out to have a CARB compliant emissions sticker (see photo). I drove the Raptor in California for a full year before moving the registration over from Montana, passed the VIN inspection and has zero issues. That saved me a lot of money, but I have to admit driving for a year paranoid about being pulled over just wasn't worth it. So given all this, if I buy a TRX out of state that does not have the CA emissions on it, I will be forced to register it in Montana (dealers are not allowed to sell a non CARB compliant vehicle into a CARB required state, and this seems to be a very hard line). Does anyone have a photo of their emissions label for a 2023 TRX that does not have the California emissions option? The build sheet for this would show option code NAA. If it is similar to that on my Raptor, it could be registered in California without meeting the 2 year or 7500 mile requirement. For reference, I took a photo of a CARB compliant TRX emissions label on a hydro blue TRX that I looked at yesterday.

That gives me one more option for purchase outside of waiting for a 2024 ordered from an out of state dealer.

I live in California and bought 4 TRX's and a Raptor from Florida. Had no problem registering them here.

 

[AnthonyRI]

What? You don't have customers standing in line to get a 4Xe??

LOL we do, actually - since we sell all 50 states.
But the issue I have currently, since you got me started, is they've halted production of 2.0L gas engines, so that they can make more 4xes, and then ultimately dealers in Fed states (once they're done with this batch) can only stock gas, and dealers in carb states can only stock 4xe, but yuo can custom order either - it's just a lot for customers to understand and there's a lot of misinformation out there.

 

[RobW33]

I live in California and bought 4 TRX's and a Raptor from Florida. Had no problem registering them here.

As long as they have the CARB sticker it's easy. If they don't, then you need 7500 miles on it or it needs to be more than 2 years old. This is a new thing from the last year or so (don't know exactly when this kicked in). I just went through this with another car. Without the CARB sticker the DMV will only give you a one day pass to get the car out of California. Sort of nuts

 

[AnthonyRI]

As long as they have the CARB sticker it's easy. If they don't, then you need 7500 miles on it or it needs to be more than 2 years old. This is a new thing from the last year or so (don't know exactly when this kicked in). I just went through this with another car. Without the CARB sticker the DMV will only give you a one day pass to get the car out of California. Sort of nuts

"We don't take kindly to your kind round here"

 

[Two]

LOL we do, actually - since we sell all 50 states.
But the issue I have currently, since you got me started, is they've halted production of 2.0L gas engines, so that they can make more 4xes, and then ultimately dealers in Fed states (once they're done with this batch) can only stock gas, and dealers in carb states can only stock 4xe, but yuo can custom order either - it's just a lot for customers to understand and there's a lot of misinformation out there.

Yep, the dealer in Utah I frequent got stuck with a few 4Xes. Very few around there wants them, so he's driving one himself, and managed to sell one - at a $7K discount.

 

[Suspman]

I live in California and bought 4 TRX's and a Raptor from Florida. Had no problem registering them here.

Did you look at the label under the hood of the TRXs?

 

[the_wolperting]

As long as they have the CARB sticker it's easy. If they don't, then you need 7500 miles on it or it needs to be more than 2 years old. This is a new thing from the last year or so (don't know exactly when this kicked in). I just went through this with another car. Without the CARB sticker the DMV will only give you a one day pass to get the car out of California. Sort of nuts

All five cars I mentioned were brand new. The most recent was registered a year ago.