Blown Engine? Head gasket?

[RedEyeTRX]

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Respectfully, you may have failed to educate yourself with regard to the Magnuson Moss Warranty-Federal Trade Commission Improvements Act, Federal Code 15 U.S. Code § 2302 - Rules governing contents of warranties. It is difficult for manufactures to deny warranty coverage due to modifications due to their burden of proving a nexus between the modification and the malfunction. Violations of consumer law may result in punitive or exemplary damages to deter further conduct. A consumer protection attorney would be able to determine whether a statute of limitations exists, and if so, whether it has tolled.

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Show us where in the MMWA it states a manufacture is required to repair a vehicle, that has been modified for increased performance by its owner. I would agree with you if:
The owner switches to E85 running 1000+HP and a wheel develops stress cracks by no fault of the mod....something completely unrelated.

However, most manufacturers will flag a vehicles VIN (warranty void) in their system across the board. You could spend the cost of a TRX fighting Stellantis.

Moral of the story is ......when you mod your vehicle, you understand the basic rules.
If you want to play ........ you may have to pay.

 

[TRXZeus]

MMW offers no protection after the owner modifies the engine.

Show us where in the MMWA it states a manufacture is required to repair a vehicle, that has been modified for increased performance by its owner.

I will send some case law for your entertainment.

 

[TRXZeus]

Show us where in the MMWA it states a manufacture is required to repair a vehicle, that has been modified for increased performance by its owner.

The original bill states the legislative intent and the law has been litigated, initially for modifying Porsches. I will send the case law shortly.

 

[RedEyeTRX]

The original bill states the legislative intent and the law has been litigated, initially for modifying Porsches. I will send the case law shortly.

What was the total cost of the court battle?

 

[RedEyeTRX]

The original bill states the legislative intent and the law has been litigated, initially for modifying Porsches. I will send the case law shortly.

If the OP took his truck to a RAM dealer, with a hole in a piston......they would flag the VIN and that would be that.

Sure, you could lawyer up for $30K or $40K. For the same money you could have DSR 426 installed.
No offense to the attorneys on the forum.....but win or lose, the lawyer always "wins", right?

 

[TRXZeus]

What was the total cost of the court battle?

I would have to review the Judgment and Affidavit of Attorneys Fees, Cost, and Expenses to provide an accurate answer. If successful, attorneys fees, costs, and expenses are paid by the defendant. Some consumer protection attorneys work on contingency as collecting judgments form corporations is more likely than from an individual that is judgment proof (indigent).

 

[RedEyeTRX]

I would have to review the Judgment and Affidavit of Attorneys Fees, Cost, and Expenses to provide an accurate answer. If successful, attorneys fees, costs, and expenses are paid by the defendant. Some consumer protection attorneys work on contingency as collecting judgments form corporations is more likely than from an individual that is judgment proof (indigent).

We are not talking about someone who "modded" a Porsche for track racing (wheels, tires, exhaust) and smoked a stock engine, then the dealership flagged his warranty.

If the Porsche owner installed larger turbos and cracked the ECM for a tune, there is no way the manufacturer would be responsible for a catastrophic engine failure.

 

[Najeem]

***This Is For Entertainment Purposes Only And Is Not Legal Advice***

Respectfully, you may have failed to educate yourself with regard to the Magnuson Moss Warranty-Federal Trade Commission Improvements Act, Federal Code 15 U.S. Code § 2302 - Rules governing contents of warranties. It is difficult for manufactures to deny warranty coverage due to modifications due to their burden of proving a nexus between the modification and the malfunction. Violations of consumer law may result in punitive or exemplary damages to deter further conduct. A consumer protection attorney would be able to determine whether a statute of limitations exists, and if so, whether it has tolled.

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This is irrelevant for my bmw scenario and OP

 

[Mack0092]

I would have to review the Judgment and Affidavit of Attorneys Fees, Cost, and Expenses to provide an accurate answer. If successful, attorneys fees, costs, and expenses are paid by the defendant. Some consumer protection attorneys work on contingency as collecting judgments form corporations is more likely than from an individual that is judgment proof (indigent).

This entire process would be undoubtedly long and strenuous, not something I’m willing to deal with over a $15k motor. No offense, but for me personally, not worth the headache and time.

 

[BusaDave]

The original bill states the legislative intent and the law has been litigated, initially for modifying Porsches. I will send the case law shortly.

LOL the MMA have been around longer than most of you have been alive. 95% of the people who post what it is from a link are all happy about it. If you read and I mean READ the warranty it states very clearly what happens when you do modifications. Not most folks' area I know however, no reason to make an ass out of yourself going to the dealer and spouting off about the MMA when you have no idea how and what protections it actually provides or does not provide.

Again, read the warranty it covers these things, as does all of the other manufacturers. When you took delivery of the vehicle YOU accepted these contractual conditions.

 

[Al Bundy]

Too complicated of an answer to give you a simple value. The pulled timing is defined by the Hot Spark table in the PCM and looks at boost, IAT2 temperature and RPM as input variables.

The stock hellcat motor already pulls healthy amounts of timing and power before any mods that increase boost and temperature. On a heat soaked motor in 100 deg ambient temps I would expect 100 hp drop in power output between having a hotter less dense charge and less timing. On e85 the drop is somewhere around half of that depending on how aggressive your e85 map is.

Thank you! Your explanation helped a lot!

 

[Al Bundy]

I bought a ported blower and have a 2.85 pulley. I'm seeing 17lbs after 5300 consistently which could turn into 18lbs in the right conditions. Not safe for 93 octane obviously so I am considering methanol injection or just going straight e85. If you run pump gas I probably wouldn't port the blower on the TRX. I have a ported snout on my challenger hellcat and I dont see this much boost with a smaller pulley (2.82). For whatever reason the TRX seems to make a little more boost.

Are your fuel pumps able to keep up with a dedicated E85 tune? A couple people I’ve spoken with said they had to switch to a triple pump setup.

I’m curious how the 3.0 Whipple performs on dedicated pump gas tune paired with a boost controller.
Have you seen any Crankcase pressure issues?

 

[khomes7]

Are your fuel pumps able to keep up with a dedicated E85 tune? A couple people I’ve spoken with said they had to switch to a triple pump setup.

I’m curious how the 3.0 Whipple performs on dedicated pump gas tune paired with a boost controller.
Have you seen any Crankcase pressure issues?

Not sure yet, I am swapping to FIC 1200 injectors this week for the dedicated e85 tune.

 

[Al Bundy]

Does anyone know if there is a “smart” boost controller that can work in tandem with a E85 tune?

 

[AZDinoPwr]

Does anyone know if there is a “smart” boost controller that can work in tandem with a E85 tune?

Superchargers don’t have a way to regulate boost outside of the bypass valve which can only function effectively when not under load. Can’t use the methods of control you would find on a turbo car. The pulley ratio (blower RPM) is our only real way to control CFM out of the blower. Hence why you have to swap pulleys to change boost.

 

[Al Bundy]

Superchargers don’t have a way to regulate boost outside of the bypass valve which can only function effectively when not under load. Can’t use the methods of control you would find on a turbo car. The pulley ratio (blower RPM) is our only real way to control CFM out of the blower. Hence why you have to swap pulleys to change boost.

Thank you! I appreciate your time.

 

[Mack0092]

Sitting pretty, waiting for a heart transplant

 

[RedEyeTRX]

Sitting pretty, waiting for a heart transplant

Medevac chopper is in route with a new heart in a cooler of ice (aka new engine, on a truck, in a crate)!

 

[@JC]

Sitting pretty, waiting for a heart transplant

At least it's not going to get stolen off the lot!

 

[Mack0092]

New Motor has arrived, can’t wait to get this thing back.