'27 TRX Info Slides via MARK DODGE

[DJ BrianBASS]

The code guide I (will, eventually) share will absolutely show invoice price.
Then, each customer signs their POC that shows invoice and normally shows holdback as well (which sometiems the system blanks out, but it is 3% of MSRP not including destination).

I think what you mean is that you don't know the full cost, and full revenue, associated with the specific transaction.
Well that's true. In fact, we don't know exactly, because a lot of the costs and revenues end up being spread out over multiple vehicles over the course of different volumes/spans.
For us, it's about probability in that with enough volume, those costs vs revenues will make it a profitable endeavor. Not by much, but at a small margin per average vehicle.
Do it a lot, and that multiplies out quite nicely. Our owner says the car business for us is not a marathon, it's a track meet. There's a LOT of different things happening at once, and you don't have to win every event by a landslide to win the whole meet. We find revenue, and savings, where other dealers aren't looking. We pass as much of that savings as we can on to the customer, where appropriate - and then y'all tell a friend.

In short, the invoice IS what we pay for that specific vehicle - and EVERY dealer pays the same invoice. But just like the invoice for a restaurant on how much they pay for ground beef isn't their entire cost of getting the burger on the bar, they've got to wash the dishes. They also make money on the beer. If you buy enough beer you get free baseball tickets, and enough burgers and you get a credit for cases per delivery average metrics too. But the burger invoice is what is, in terms of cost of goods sold from an accounting perspective.

Good morning and happy FriYAAAAAAY Thank you for always being so honest, transparent, and detailed in your explanation of things. Now I want a burger and a TRX SRT!

 

[ChemLab]

Ok, Monday we will see a order guide!

Maybe.

 

[405TRX]

We better have something soon because I’m getting impatient. If we don’t see concrete numbers in the next couple weeks I’m gonna use my $2k deposit money for new tires for my ‘23 and be done with all this.

 

[ChemLab]

The probably should've waited to announce the TRX and Rumblebee at the same time.

We have been waiting patiently...should be soon if they're at all serious about the 8/3 production start date.

 

[405TRX]

I should have qualified that "if I were lucky enough to get an allocation at MD" I would use that $2k elsewhere... who knows... I probably wouldn't do anything right now anyway if the initial discount was less than $5k... prolly best for me to just enjoy my '23 for however long and do something later when we do see substantial markdowns... or not lol...

 

[DJ BrianBASS]

Ok, Monday we will see a order guide!

Maybe.

Yes we will and with the Rumble Bee being produced in Mexico won’t slow down TRX production.

 

[Two]

Yes we will and with the Rumble Bee being produced in Mexico it won’t slow down TRX production.

Plus they'll have better build quality. Quite a bit better in my experience.

But if it's an engine shortage, or any other shared components, it won't really matter where they're assembled.

 

[DJ BrianBASS]

Plus they'll have better build quality. Quite a bit better in my experience.

But if it's an engine shortage, or any other shared components, it won't really matter where they're assembled.

Which one do you think will have better build quality?

 

[Two]

Which one do you think will have better build quality?

So far it has been Saltillo, by far.

 

[DJ BrianBASS]

So far it has been Saltillo, by far.

Did we just agree on something It is sad the things we see coming out of the SHAP that make it through their QC checks, and even dealer PDI. I saw a YouTube on SHAP and the employees were wearing sweats and slides looking like they were lounging in their living room. Guess they also don’t even require them to have safety glasses on, which you would think is a requirement anytime being out on a production floor. I don’t get it.

 

[Two]

It is sad the things we see coming out of the SHAP that make it through their QC checks, and even dealer PDI.

I have yet to be disappointed with anything from Saltillo, but a '14 1500 was missing interior parts and had a tweaked rear door, two Trackhawks could have had better panel alignments, and a '23 Durango Hellcat had a very misaligned hood and rear spoiler. Needless to say, the TRX's panel gaps could have been better.

Then there are "little things" like lug nuts being anything from finger tight to over torqued. Don't even know how they can accomplish that with the machines they have.

Either way, I can't blame my dealership for any of it, they are instructed to leave our vehicles as is. I like getting them with all the paperwork still inside, and all the protective plastic in place. Then I do my own PDI, checking all fluid levels, lug nuts, for loose fasteners in general, etc.

 

[DJ BrianBASS]

I have yet to be disappointed with anything from Saltillo, but a '14 1500 was missing interior parts and had a tweaked rear door, two Trackhawks could have had better panel alignments, and a '23 Durango Hellcat had a very misaligned hood and rear spoiler. Needless to say, the TRX's panel gaps could have been better.

Then there are "little things" like lug nuts being anything from finger tight to over torqued. Don't even know how they can accomplish that with the machines they have.

Either way, I can't blame my dealership for any of it, they are instructed to leave our vehicles as is. I like getting them with all the paperwork still inside, and all the protective plastic in place. Then I do my own PDI, checking all fluid levels, lug nuts, for loose fasteners in general, etc.

Damn There was a RHO forum member that the truck bed lower black paint section was missing. Funny thing was he missed it for over a month of ownership but the horrible part is RAM isn’t doing anything about it.

 

[Two]

Damn There was a RHO forum member that the truck bed lower black paint section was missing. Funny thing was he missed it for over a month of ownership but the horrible part is RAM isn’t doing anything about it.

Did he at least notice that two cylinders were missing?

 

[NWI_TRX]

Damn There was a RHO forum member that the truck bed lower black paint section was missing. Funny thing was he missed it for over a month of ownership but the horrible part is RAM isn’t doing anything about it.

I believe Mark Dodge took the truck back and he ordered a new one

 

[DJ BrianBASS]

I believe Mark Dodge took the truck back and he ordered a new one

That would be great if it was fully handled for him , but still wild that it made it to a customer through people that are paid to do QC checks on the vehicles.

 

[MurderedCat]

That would be great if it was fully handled for him , but still wild that it made it to a customer through people that are paid to do QC checks on the vehicles.

And a “PDI”

 

[ChemLab]

I chalk that one up to when you're reading your own work and there is a clear misspelled word...you don't catch it. Why? Your brain spells it correctly as you read it - too familiar. This is why you walk away for a period of time and come back to it.

These guys see 20 trucks a day coming through for PDI and out of 1,000, only one (I bet less than one) will have something like a non-painted lower panel. Think about it...they even WASHED IT and did not notice that section was not painted black. Do you really think it was just carelessness? No, they are moving fast and that was not even something they thought would ever happen. So, they were in a way blind to it.

Not make excuses here, but do you want it fast, inexpensive, or top quality? You only get 2. In reality it is always a balancing act between the three. And yes, SHAP could do better. I am not saying they couldn't. Most of this is incremental at this point and correcting all of this prior to shipping would add significantly to the cost/time aspect. I am talking about the cosmetic stuff (paint/emblems/panel alignment/trim firment), not components that come in faulty and end up causing recalls, btw.

My 2022 TRX - the RAM letters on the drivers door were not even close to straight. Meh, whatever, a 10 minute fix, but I removed them anyway later that week. My 2023 TRX did not have anything out of whack (from Mark Dodge). Anyway...let's go ahead and see that order guide!

 

[DJ BrianBASS]

Yessss to the order guide and yes, I do expect everything perfect on a $100K vehicle. My Audi is, so no reason RAM can’t have that level of quality control and production. The ‘27 models will all be flawless inside and out

 

[ChemLab]

I understand. But, they do turn out 1,200 trucks per day. My brother ordered a Bentley...had issues. Heated seat didn't work. Back to the dealer. Things get missed...as long as it's taken care of promptly, it isn't a huge issue.

But yeah, the cost of these, we should see a high level of QC.

 

[Louk]

Yessss to the order guide and yes, I do expect everything perfect on a $100K vehicle. My Audi is, so no reason RAM can’t have that level of quality control and production. The ‘27 models will all be flawless inside and out

100K is a run of the mill price these days. Plenty of random trucks/suvs that surpass that number with “normal” brands, but someone is buying them.
more money not equal to more better.