Leveling kit or Springs

CaliTrx · Feb 3, 2023

I live in SoCal prime desert running territory. Looking to level the truck and also gain a bit of front clearance for off roading. Hopefully in order to not dent the front skid plate (that much or that badly). Was wondering for off roading/ daily driving purposes. Which would be better. I hear Eibach is all around good, but something about messing with the geometry of the front prevents complete travel of the strut? And I hear the leveling kit actually is better because it maintains the OEM geometry and also allows for OEM travel. Correct me if I am wrong. Looking forward to hearing some people chime and learning from people with much more experience then myself.

Trunty · Feb 3, 2023

Folks will say springs, but i can’t find any details on spring rates for geiser or eihach. With that said, i feel perch collars are equally as effective until spring rate details are readily available. Personally i like the factory spring rate and would suggest rogue perch collars for a tiny bit more preload. Additionally, rogue kit with collars + top spacer can actually accommodate proper bump for larger tires. If anyone says springs, ask them “why”. Honestly, I’d like to know the details behind their position.

CaliTrx · Feb 4, 2023

Trunty said:
Folks will say springs, but i can’t find any details on spring rates for geiser or eihach. With that said, i feel perch collars are equally as effective until spring rate details are readily available. Personally i like the factory spring rate and would suggest rogue perch collars for a tiny bit more preload. Additionally, rogue kit with collars + top spacer can actually accommodate proper bump for larger tires. If anyone says springs, ask them “why”. Honestly, I’d like to know the details behind their position.

Great insight. I want to fix the “rake” on the truck. But not do it in a way that’s going to decrease the capabilities of the truck. Instead if it can increase the capabilities or at least maintain it the that’s what I would prefer. Do know if you do rogue kit with collar and all do you have to adjust the ride height sensors?

Bdub003 · Feb 4, 2023

I had the foutz spacer and ripped my cv boot 2 times while playing in the dirt. I now have the eibach front springs but haven't taken it in the dirt. I feel like the ride is better with the springs, I use to get a drop out feeling going over speed bumps and stuff with the foutz kit.

Trunty · Feb 4, 2023

CaliTrx said:
Great insight. I want to fix the “rake” on the truck. But not do it in a way that’s going to decrease the capabilities of the truck. Instead if it can increase the capabilities or at least maintain it the that’s what I would prefer. Do know if you do rogue kit with collar and all do you have to adjust the ride height sensors?

Anytime you adjust ride height, unless it’s a kit with sensors relocation brackets, you should recalibrate. Using alfaobd it’s a 5 min procedure you can do in your driveway.

ScottS · Feb 4, 2023

Trunty said:
Anytime you adjust ride height, unless it’s a kit with sensors relocation brackets, you should recalibrate. Using alfaobd it’s a 5 min procedure you can do in your driveway.

Can you please share the procedure to recalibrate with alfaobd? I thought it could only be done at the dealer…..

Trunty · Feb 4, 2023

ScottS said:
Can you please share the procedure to recalibrate with alfaobd? I thought it could only be done at the dealer…..

I am planning to do it again tomorrow and will take screenshots. If i recall correctly it’s in the abs module.

ScottS · Feb 4, 2023

Trunty said:
I am planning to do it again tomorrow and will take screenshots. If i recall correctly it’s in the abs module.

Thanks!

E36luva · Feb 4, 2023

Trunty said:
Folks will say springs, but i can’t find any details on spring rates for geiser or eihach. With that said, i feel perch collars are equally as effective until spring rate details are readily available. Personally i like the factory spring rate and would suggest rogue perch collars for a tiny bit more preload. Additionally, rogue kit with collars + top spacer can actually accommodate proper bump for larger tires. If anyone says springs, ask them “why”. Honestly, I’d like to know the details behind their position.

GEISER OFF-ROAD | TRX

These custom progressive rate front and rear springs are designed for the RAM TRX.

www.geiseroffroad.com

Trunty · Feb 4, 2023

E36luva said:
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GEISER OFF-ROAD | TRX

These custom progressive rate front and rear springs are designed for the RAM TRX.

www.geiseroffroad.com

Fantastic! Thank you!

E36luva · Feb 4, 2023

Trunty said:
Fantastic! Thank you!

No problem, curious on the suspension recalibration procedure from alphaobd. If you can show it being successful, id order it asap

Trunty · Feb 5, 2023

E36luva said:
No problem, curious on the suspension recalibration procedure from alphaobd. If you can show it being successful, id order it asap

I dont have a way to know for sure the procedure was successful, as i couldn’t find associated PIDs to graph before/after. But, after putting on the rogue collars today the procedure says it was successful. Screenshots below.

Select active dampening module

Connect. I use bluetooth mx device

Select “Height sensor calibration”

Run procedure and confirm a successful exit code.

ScottS · Feb 5, 2023

Thanks @Trunty! Didn’t realize it was available on AlphaOBD. I’ll give it a try.

Informal · Feb 5, 2023

One thing that irritates me, with as long as adjustable ride suspensions have been available.. Is that this truck didn't come stock, with a +/- 1 inch or so adjustment, controllable on each corner.

How sweet would that be?

E36luva · Feb 6, 2023

@Trunty thanks for posting the steps. Looks like you are able to successfully re calibrate.

So heres my experience. I had the geiser springs installed, went to a dealer and requested the recalibration. There is a TSB for the procedure, however the steps say to perform the recal on level ground only. This dealer performed the recal as per tsb, and although they were also given a “successful” message, I had suspected it wasnt done correctly. There have been a few members mention that the truck needs to be lifted off the ground so the suspension is at full droop, then the ADCM should be “reset” (not clear on what that means, is there a reset button in alphaobd? Do you unplug the module and re connect?), once that is done, the truck should be lowered on a level ground, and the recalibration should be done.

After my first attempt, i continued to get the “service active dampers” message. It never came up on the road, only off road, and would pop up maybe 4-5 times over the course of a 10 hour day on the trails covering around 300 miles. The suspension itself, on the road, felt soft and seemed to bounce a few times after a bump/dip, instead of dampening the bump with one swift up/down and settle motion. I just chalked it up to auto mode trying to keep the truck floaty, as it felt better in baja mode.

Well a week ago, I took my truck to another dealer to get my tailgate recall checked. I explained the recal procedure with the full droop and reset, they seemed receptive and said they would give it a shot.

I pick up my truck and immediately the truck felt stiffer, and after a couple days of driving, I can confidently say it feels different then before (im hoping its not placebo). Overall feels stiffer then before, and the truck soaks up bumps in a more compliant fashion then before. Haven’t been on the trials yet, but I guess that will be the final test, if i get the “service dampers” message or not. Overall I feel like a change has occurred, and the truck feels better now.

Going to get the alphaobd and order the bluetooth mx device. Its my understanding if the battery dies, the recalibration will need to be done, so for future sake, anything i can do to avoid a trip to the dealer ill do.

Curious to hear your experience, please update the thread if you get the “service dampers” message again, also curious if you notice the truck feel “softer” as I did.

Cheers

After reading the work order again, seems the “trx suspension rebound in the pcm” is the step that is done while the truck is off the ground.

TRX.1TONTACO · Feb 6, 2023

E36luva said:
@Trunty thanks for posting the steps. Looks like you are able to successfully re calibrate.

So heres my experience. I had the geiser springs installed, went to a dealer and requested the recalibration. There is a TSB for the procedure, however the steps say to perform the recal on level ground only. This dealer performed the recal as per tsb, and although they were also given a “successful” message, I had suspected it wasnt done correctly. There have been a few members mention that the truck needs to be lifted off the ground so the suspension is at full droop, then the ADCM should be “reset” (not clear on what that means, is there a reset button in alphaobd? Do you unplug the module and re connect?), once that is done, the truck should be lowered on a level ground, and the recalibration should be done.

After my first attempt, i continued to get the “service active dampers” message. It never came up on the road, only off road, and would pop up maybe 4-5 times over the course of a 10 hour day on the trails covering around 300 miles. The suspension itself, on the road, felt soft and seemed to bounce a few times after a bump/dip, instead of dampening the bump with one swift up/down and settle motion. I just chalked it up to auto mode trying to keep the truck floaty, as it felt better in baja mode.

Well a week ago, I took my truck to another dealer to get my tailgate recall checked. I explained the recal procedure with the full droop and reset, they seemed receptive and said they would give it a shot.

I pick up my truck and immediately the truck felt stiffer, and after a couple days of driving, I can confidently say it feels different then before (im hoping its not placebo). Overall feels stiffer then before, and the truck soaks up bumps in a more compliant fashion then before. Haven’t been on the trials yet, but I guess that will be the final test, if i get the “service dampers” message or not. Overall I feel like a change has occurred, and the truck feels better now.

Going to get the alphaobd and order the bluetooth mx device. Its my understanding if the battery dies, the recalibration will need to be done, so for future sake, anything i can do to avoid a trip to the dealer ill do.

Curious to hear your experience, please update the thread if you get the “service dampers” message again, also curious if you notice the truck feel “softer” as I did.

Cheers

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After reading the work order again, seems the “trx suspension rebound in the pcm” is the step that is done while the truck is off the ground.

If you don't mind what dealer did you go to that did not do it currently? If you just want to state the city that's fine, but I just want to make sure I don't go there.

E36luva · Feb 6, 2023

TRX.1TONTACO said:
If you don't mind what dealer did you go to that did not do it currently? If you just want to state the city that's fine, but I just want to make sure I don't go there.

Walnut creek CDJR, the SA and service dep manager were helpful. The shop foreman there wanted to keep my truck for 3-4 hours to perform the recalibration, when I asked what procedure he would be doing, he began to recite the procedure for resetting the air suspension…I cut him off and said “its a trx, it has adaptive dampers not air suspension”, he shrugged his shoulders, said “oh well, i dont know” and walked away…

Fremont has been good so far. Just be patient with them, the service department doesn't answer the phone during business hours lol, and they will sit on your truck for a few days until a tech becomes available, but that seems to be the norm these days, not only with Ram…

Trunty · Feb 6, 2023

E36luva said:
@Trunty thanks for posting the steps. Looks like you are able to successfully re calibrate.

So heres my experience. I had the geiser springs installed, went to a dealer and requested the recalibration. There is a TSB for the procedure, however the steps say to perform the recal on level ground only. This dealer performed the recal as per tsb, and although they were also given a “successful” message, I had suspected it wasnt done correctly. There have been a few members mention that the truck needs to be lifted off the ground so the suspension is at full droop, then the ADCM should be “reset” (not clear on what that means, is there a reset button in alphaobd? Do you unplug the module and re connect?), once that is done, the truck should be lowered on a level ground, and the recalibration should be done.

After my first attempt, i continued to get the “service active dampers” message. It never came up on the road, only off road, and would pop up maybe 4-5 times over the course of a 10 hour day on the trails covering around 300 miles. The suspension itself, on the road, felt soft and seemed to bounce a few times after a bump/dip, instead of dampening the bump with one swift up/down and settle motion. I just chalked it up to auto mode trying to keep the truck floaty, as it felt better in baja mode.

Well a week ago, I took my truck to another dealer to get my tailgate recall checked. I explained the recal procedure with the full droop and reset, they seemed receptive and said they would give it a shot.

I pick up my truck and immediately the truck felt stiffer, and after a couple days of driving, I can confidently say it feels different then before (im hoping its not placebo). Overall feels stiffer then before, and the truck soaks up bumps in a more compliant fashion then before. Haven’t been on the trials yet, but I guess that will be the final test, if i get the “service dampers” message or not. Overall I feel like a change has occurred, and the truck feels better now.

Going to get the alphaobd and order the bluetooth mx device. Its my understanding if the battery dies, the recalibration will need to be done, so for future sake, anything i can do to avoid a trip to the dealer ill do.

Curious to hear your experience, please update the thread if you get the “service dampers” message again, also curious if you notice the truck feel “softer” as I did.

Cheers

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After reading the work order again, seems the “trx suspension rebound in the pcm” is the step that is done while the truck is off the ground.

Super helpful! I did the procedure in the adcm module. When they say pcm they probably mean bcm. Will check to see if there are any other related service procedures in bcm module. Will also update here after a few days of driving it.

Todd · Feb 6, 2023

I've tried to do that procedure about 10 times with my truck and could never get it to work. Lifted up to droop and sitting on level ground it didn't matter. I still get the messages everytime I start my truck.

Trunty · Feb 6, 2023

E36luva said:
@Trunty thanks for posting the steps. Looks like you are able to successfully re calibrate.

So heres my experience. I had the geiser springs installed, went to a dealer and requested the recalibration. There is a TSB for the procedure, however the steps say to perform the recal on level ground only. This dealer performed the recal as per tsb, and although they were also given a “successful” message, I had suspected it wasnt done correctly. There have been a few members mention that the truck needs to be lifted off the ground so the suspension is at full droop, then the ADCM should be “reset” (not clear on what that means, is there a reset button in alphaobd? Do you unplug the module and re connect?), once that is done, the truck should be lowered on a level ground, and the recalibration should be done.

After my first attempt, i continued to get the “service active dampers” message. It never came up on the road, only off road, and would pop up maybe 4-5 times over the course of a 10 hour day on the trails covering around 300 miles. The suspension itself, on the road, felt soft and seemed to bounce a few times after a bump/dip, instead of dampening the bump with one swift up/down and settle motion. I just chalked it up to auto mode trying to keep the truck floaty, as it felt better in baja mode.

Well a week ago, I took my truck to another dealer to get my tailgate recall checked. I explained the recal procedure with the full droop and reset, they seemed receptive and said they would give it a shot.

I pick up my truck and immediately the truck felt stiffer, and after a couple days of driving, I can confidently say it feels different then before (im hoping its not placebo). Overall feels stiffer then before, and the truck soaks up bumps in a more compliant fashion then before. Haven’t been on the trials yet, but I guess that will be the final test, if i get the “service dampers” message or not. Overall I feel like a change has occurred, and the truck feels better now.

Going to get the alphaobd and order the bluetooth mx device. Its my understanding if the battery dies, the recalibration will need to be done, so for future sake, anything i can do to avoid a trip to the dealer ill do.

Curious to hear your experience, please update the thread if you get the “service dampers” message again, also curious if you notice the truck feel “softer” as I did.

Cheers

View attachment 87998

After reading the work order again, seems the “trx suspension rebound in the pcm” is the step that is done while the truck is off the ground.