Red Line 5w50 VOA

[OnTheReel]

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Yep.

So for the vast majority of us who just drive normally and are stock, would you still recommend the Redline 0w40? Or 5w40 now? I am at 30k and going to start doing my own oil changes, and have seen your previous posts about it. Not sure if that is still your oil of choice for stock motors though. Also, which 192 thermostat do you recommend? I have stayed away from those because of all the posts about them failing but it sure does run hot here in South Florida.

I actually never ran a 192, went from stock to a Mishimoto 180 when I got tuned. From what I’ve seen most of the 192s are made by Motorad regardless of packaging / branding. It’s probably a crap shoot. Even the OEM thermostats fail way more than they should so I wouldn’t mind taking the chance myself.

I always had good results on RL 0w40, and 5w40 was a slight improvement from that, even up here in the north. So in South Florida I can’t foresee any downside to using 5w40.

 

[FULLTHROTTLERICK]

Yep.

I actually never ran a 192, went from stock to a Mishimoto 180 when I got tuned. From what I’ve seen most of the 192s are made by Motorad regardless of packaging / branding. It’s probably a crap shoot. Even the OEM thermostats fail way more than they should so I wouldn’t mind taking the chance myself.

I always had good results on RL 0w40, and 5w40 was a slight improvement from that, even up here in the north. So in South Florida I can’t foresee any downside to using 5w40.

Curious - was the improvement you saw from 0w40 to 5w40 smaller than the improvement from 5w40 to 5w50?

 

[OnTheReel]

Curious - was the improvement you saw from 0w40 to 5w40 smaller than the improvement from 5w40 to 5w50?

Yes.

First, let’s look at the Blackstone universal average which I will standardize per 1k miles. 7.7 PPM iron per 1k.

-Red Line 0w40 average 6.8 PPM per 1k.

-5w40 average 6.1 PPM per 1k.

-M1 5w50 4.8 PPM per 1k.

-Someone else posted a Red Line 5w50 UOA from their TRX at a 4900 mile interval. 2.4 PPM per 1k.

It may look like we are splitting hairs here but even just the 0w40 RL dropped wear rate by 12%. And 5w40, 21%. My M1 5w50, 38% and the other members 5w50 RL posted wear 69% lower than average.

Now some fine print:

-I am going off of single tests for both 5w50 samples, which is not as much data as I would like. But since the M1 was in my own truck, I already do have a pattern and historical trend established and know what I’m looking at. If the RL 5w50 improves it further as I am expecting I will be behind this product 100%.

-Blackstone universal average is across all products and viscosities. The vast majority of the tests I scoured the net for were run with the OEM PUP 0w40. But this data does also include some M1, RL, Amsoil etc. I think if we look only at the PUP the difference in wear rate would be much more substantial when moving to Red Line, and that’s exactly what I observed in my truck.

 

[SCARd4Life]

what is flood mode lol?

Flood mode (hold accelerator and brake while pushing start button) will force oil through the engine without firing any cylinders. This helps to protect your engine from startup wear, especially after oil changes and if the truck has sat for several days. Especially helpful when the oil filter is horizontal and can't be filled following an oil change.

 

[Engine45]

So the RL 5w50 is the go to oil now ? Even in hot and humid climate like south Florida. Just clarifying before I switch from the 0w40 RL.

 

[OnTheReel]

So the RL 5w50 is the go to oil now ? Even in hot and humid climate like south Florida. Just clarifying before I switch from the 0w40 RL.

It’s definitely what I’m going to run with going forward. Early returns look very promising for it. Been putting lots of miles on the truck so I’ll have more data soon.

 

[HydroTRX420]

I just ordered Red line 0W 40 to change from M1. Did i make a mistake? I’ve always ran M1 with no issues.

 

[OnTheReel]

I just ordered Red line 0W 40 to change from M1. Did i make a mistake? I’ve always ran M1 with no issues.

Red Line 0w40 runs circles around M1 0w40. Cleanliness, shear stability, anti-wear…basically everything. Time will tell how much RL 5w50 improves on that but either way, no mistake in ditching the M1 for Red Line.

Now, the M1 5w50 did do well for me but that’s another animal and I’d still have questions about cleanliness using it long term. Nothing beats Red Line as far as solvency.

 

[HydroTRX420]

Red Line 0w40 runs circles around M1 0w40. Cleanliness, shear stability, anti-wear…basically everything. Time will tell how much RL 5w50 improves on that but either way, no mistake in ditching the M1 for Red Line.

Now, the M1 5w50 did do well for me but that’s another animal and I’d still have questions about cleanliness using it long term. Nothing beats Red Line as far as solvency.

Ok Thanks. I don’t drive mine often. 21 with 19,600 on the clock currently but i have been maintaining her well and wanted to go above the norm because she sits so much.

 

[OnTheReel]

Ok Thanks. I don’t drive mine often. 21 with 19,600 on the clock currently but i have been maintaining her well and wanted to go above the norm because she sits so much.

Red Line should reduce startup wear in a truck that doesn’t see regular use since the ester in it is very polar and tends cling to metals a lot better / longer than a shelf oil like M1. I also wouldn’t have any concerns with it sitting in the sump for a lot longer than the stupid 6 month warranty requirement. Since you’re probably not doing enough miles to justify that schedule.

 

[HydroTRX420]

Red Line should reduce startup wear in a truck that doesn’t see regular use since the ester in it is very polar and tends cling to metals a lot better / longer than a shelf oil like M1. I also wouldn’t have any concerns with it sitting in the sump for a lot longer than the stupid 6 month warranty requirement. Since you’re probably not doing enough miles to justify that schedule.

Thanks for the info

 

[JKMTRX]

dumb question, if you were to start ignition without foot on the brake would it build oil pressure before starting? Just wondering, i am not concerned about starvation of oil at cold start.

 

[IdahoKTM]

dumb question, if you were to start ignition without foot on the brake would it build oil pressure before starting? Just wondering, i am not concerned about starvation of oil at cold start.

If you don't put your foot on the brake, the engine will not turn over.

 

[JKMTRX]

If you don't put your foot on the brake, the engine will not turn over.

Yes, i understand that. My question is does it build oil pressure if you start ignition prior to starting the motor? I know some cars do, just asking out of curiosity more than anything.

 

[OnTheReel]

Fuel pressure yes, oil pressure no. Oil pump is driven by the nose of the crankshaft so the engine needs to be turning.

 

[JKMTRX]

Fuel pressure yes, oil pressure no. Oil pump is driven by the nose of the crankshaft so the engine needs to be turning.

Ah ok thank you!

 

[Engine45]

So 5w50 pr 5w40 in Florida go

 

[slivoman]

what's the cheapest place online for redline?

 

[FULLTHROTTLERICK]

So 5w50 pr 5w40 in Florida go

Yea man! Def gunna switch ourselves the next oil change.

 

[OnTheReel]

Especially in the FL heat I’d be all over the 5w50. A UOA comparison from you guys would be really neat too. I know we have some 0w40 tests from @FULLTHROTTLERICK ‘s truck already.

For buying it, eBay has been my go-to lately. They frequently run 10% off coupons and HRP is a Red Line dealer on there. Brings it down to $175-ish a case and always delivers in a couple days:

5W50

Doesn’t look like they have the regular 5w40 available at the moment. Just the euro is listed. Which is still good but it’s a mid-SAPS version with lower calcium and phosphorus.