Ravelco Saves The Day

[RAMTRX22]

Tom488 broke it down pretty good. The only thing that still doesn't add up is the power train malfunction message from ram. If it was add a shock sensor or if a door was opened it would have been a theft alert. One can only speculate what happened but we are definitely missing something in the story.

 

[Ewea]

 

[Ewea]

Are you the guy in the video who posted the bypass technique or is this something you are forwarding? If you’re the one who made the video, you can confirm the authenticity of it.

 

[IdahoKTM]

Are you the guy in the video who posted the bypass technique or is this something you are forwarding? If you’re the one who made the video, you can confirm the authenticity of it.

The guy in the video is an IGLA installer. His name is Jon @nyinstaller on this forum.

 

[RAMTRX22]

The guy in the video is an IGLA installer. His name is Jon @nyinstaller on this forum.

I think the video would have had more impact if he wore a mask. Maybe even went in through a window...

 

[Ewea]

Ok, so either way, the supposition is that the videos are authentic.

If I were the proprietors that own Ravelco, I would go out of the way not to reveal any information about the security fix. Why challenge the competitor to defeat it? Why give them any hints? Why compromise the device, assuming the security fix works, for everyone who upgrades to it?

If I were them, I’d provide no information.

 

[Air’d outSRT]

Ok, so either way, the supposition is that the videos are authentic.

If I were the proprietors that own Ravelco, I would go out of the way not to reveal any information about the security fix. Why challenge the competitor to defeat it? Why give them any hints? Why compromise the device, assuming the security fix works, for everyone who upgrades to it?

If I were them, I’d provide no information.

I am the one who orchestrated the 2 videos from Jon and the third from another shop who bypassed 2 on FaceTime with the owners who are also ravelco installers. The videos are authentic and can show you how to bypass it if you like. There are several ways to do it.
As for the “upgrade” to stop the bypass it actually makes it easier. A member here has it done and sent me pictures to confirm. If he reads this and wants to confirm what I am saying then he is more than welcome to but I will not disclose what stupidity was involved in it downgrade because thats what they did. I showed him how to bypass it and then explained why this “upgrade” was beyond idiotic. I emailed ravelco as well, they nonchalantly threatened me which I find hilarious.

Josh

 

[Quietpeen]

I am the one who orchestrated the 2 videos from Jon and the third from another shop who bypassed 2 on FaceTime with the owners who are also ravelco installers. The videos are authentic and can show you how to bypass it if you like. There are several ways to do it.
As for the “upgrade” to stop the bypass it actually makes it easier. A member here has it done and sent me pictures to confirm. If he reads this and wants to confirm what I am saying then he is more than welcome to but I will not disclose what stupidity was involved in it downgrade because thats what they did. I showed him how to bypass it and then explained why this “upgrade” was beyond idiotic. I emailed ravelco as well, they nonchalantly threatened me which I find hilarious.

Josh

this is where the damned if you do damned if you don’t is going to happen. You will be called a liar for saying it’s easier to bypass and a shill. Then after being called a liar for who knows how long you will produce a video of it being bypassed and you will become the enemy for showing online a how to for the thieves to bypass it. Sounds very familiar

 

[TRXNUT]

this is where the damned if you do damned if you don’t is going to happen. You will be called a liar for saying it’s easier to bypass and a shill. Then after being called a liar for who knows how long you will produce a video of it being bypassed and you will become the enemy for showing online a how to for the thieves to bypass it. Sounds very familiar

Josh is the hero and the scapegoat all at once. In my opinion showing the Ravelco bypass is not attempt to help the thieves but merely an attempt to help stop the brainwashing from the Ravelco team as a whole. Josh has my support 100% for multiple reasons. One being his brutal honesty, the world needs more of this , stop sugar coating things creating pussy generations. Also his dedication to help people, so what if he makes a few bucks doing it his main goal is stopping the thefts, plus any of us who have a brain and or who runs a company knows he ain't getting rich off this, he has other sources of income I'm sure. And lastly he's stated a bunch of times that he's not loyal to IGLA only, once it's been breached or there's another better alternative he will push for us to move to that. If people can't see these blatant things about him, we'll they are the shills for they are following the heard to demise instead of following the few to safety/success.

 

[Air’d outSRT]

this is where the damned if you do damned if you don’t is going to happen. You will be called a liar for saying it’s easier to bypass and a shill. Then after being called a liar for who knows how long you will produce a video of it being bypassed and you will become the enemy for showing online a how to for the thieves to bypass it. Sounds very familiar

You would be 100% correct. I am not doing the “here it is, here why they don’t know what 12v is” post because someone here that had it done did me a solid and took pics of it to confirm that ravelco installers couldn’t install a radio even with instructions. The add on was probably the single most idiotic add on you could do. If he says it is fine I will tell what it is and why it was foolish to do. On top of that he paid money for a $2 add on that compromised it even more. Thankfully he has IGLA.

 

[Air’d outSRT]

Josh is the hero and the scapegoat all at once. In my opinion showing the Ravelco bypass is not attempt to help the thieves but merely an attempt to help stop the brainwashing from the Ravelco team as a whole. Josh has my support 100% for multiple reasons. One being his brutal honesty, the world needs more of this , stop sugar coating things creating pussy generations. Also his dedication to help people, so what if he makes a few bucks doing it his main goal is stopping the thefts, plus any of us who have a brain and or who runs a company knows he ain't getting rich off this, he has other sources of income I'm sure. And lastly he's stated a bunch of times that he's not loyal to IGAL only, once it's been breached or there's another better alternative he will push for us to move to that. If people can't see these blatant things about him, we'll they are the shills for they are following the heard to demise instead of following the few to safety/success.

Thank you sir. I actually don’t make much off IGLA. My army retirement, DOD retirement and 100% permanent combat disability pays all my bills. This started out as a hobby and has turned into far more because there is nobody else to do it. Keeps my mind busy (needed for obvious reasons, I won’t fall trap to the VA pill push)

Josh

 

[TRXNUT]

Thank you sir. I actually don’t make much off IGLA. My army retirement, DOD retirement and 100% permanent combat disability pays all my bills. This started out as a hobby and has turned into far more because there is nobody else to do it. Keeps my mind busy (needed for obvious reasons, I won’t fall trap to the VA pill push)

Josh

No problem at all! Some people just can't see through the shit piled infront of them. Also good on you for not fall8ng victim to the big pharma scam! Keep your mind busy my friend

 

[Air’d outSRT]

this is where the damned if you do damned if you don’t is going to happen. You will be called a liar for saying it’s easier to bypass and a shill. Then after being called a liar for who knows how long you will produce a video of it being bypassed and you will become the enemy for showing online a how to for the thieves to bypass it. Sounds very familiar

I talked to the gentleman and got his blessing sooo here we go!!

Most have seen the videos, I actually have a third one made that shows a faster method. As stated, you find the trap ground and then connect the 7 left and then the other 8. Since it was done in 2 of the videos with a probe that can send battery voltage and also a ground ravelco’s answer to try and mask the trap ground was to…… add an inline automotive fuse…. Now let me explain to those not 12v savvy why this is a bigger security issue and makes it a faster bypass.
If you use a multimeter like almost all do and will do you will never know it this new “upgrade” done because continuity to ground would virtually be unchanged.
If you use a probe like in the video (rare to find it, discontinued years ago) or a newer version like a power probe (or even a wire ran to a constant 12v) you can send battery 12v to each pin, if this inline fuse is on the trap ground and you are sending said voltage to each pin then you guessed it, you blow the fuse and thus no trap ground now. You don’t have to pay attention to the probes lights or circuit breaker because you hit every pin quickly, then connect upper 8 and then lower 8 and done.
Ravelco is better than nothing but know what you are wasting your money on. Them charging upwards of $200 for this “upgrade” to stop the bypassing and installing a $2 temu fuse to just compromise it more makes no sense at all. Don’t waste your money to downgrade it. Its more secure without it.

Here comes the hate… again….

Josh

 

[Tom488]

ravelco’s answer to try and mask the trap ground was to…… add an inline automotive fuse

Oh - you have GOT to be kidding me! I know you're not, but... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot??
That has GOT to be the most retarded thing in the name of "vehicle security" since... well... I really can't think of anything stupider.

So was this really something that Vincent himself came up with and endorsed, or is it like you speculated earlier that this was one (or maybe now a few) installers trying to do their own thing?

I'll bet they use a pretty low-amperage fuse, too, right? So it completely defeats the purpose of having the trap there in the first place! So now if you're screwing around just trying to jump random wires, and you "accidentally" connect the ASD output to the trap, you don't blow the 20A F60 fuse, thereby killing the truck's ability to start... you instead blow the 5A (or 2.5A, or whatever) inline fuse. Or if you short the starter relay output to the trap, you don't blow the 40A F40 fuse...

Given that, you don't even NEED to find the trap first - just short pins 1-8 together, and short pins 9-16 together. Wherever the trap lies, it will just take itself out of the picture instantly, and away you go.

Their 60-seconds-to-bypass just went to 2 seconds... they just invalidated another of their major advertising points: "No master plugs!". Well, now there is... cut the back of the plug off, exposing the two plates, and fill in all the holes with solder (instead of just the select four). Congratulations - you now have a master plug that will start ANY "upgraded" Ravelco installation. <SMGDH>

 

[Air’d outSRT]

Oh - you have GOT to be kidding me! I know you're not, but... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot??
That has GOT to be the most retarded thing in the name of "vehicle security" since... well... I really can't think of anything stupider.

So was this really something that Vincent himself came up with and endorsed, or is it like you speculated earlier that this was one (or maybe now a few) installers trying to do their own thing?

I'll bet they use a pretty low-amperage fuse, too, right? So it completely defeats the purpose of having the trap there in the first place! So now if you're screwing around just trying to jump random wires, and you "accidentally" connect the ASD output to the trap, you don't blow the 20A F60 fuse, thereby killing the truck's ability to start... you instead blow the 5A (or 2.5A, or whatever) inline fuse. Or if you short the starter relay output to the trap, you don't blow the 40A F40 fuse...

Given that, you don't even NEED to find the trap first - just short pins 1-8 together, and short pins 9-16 together. Wherever the trap lies, it will just take itself out of the picture instantly, and away you go.

Their 60-seconds-to-bypass just went to 2 seconds... they just invalidated another of their major advertising points: "No master plugs!". Well, now there is... cut the back of the plug off, exposing the two plates, and fill in all the holes with solder (instead of just the select four). Congratulations - you now have a master plug that will start ANY "upgraded" Ravelco installation. <SMGDH>

Wait, a what??? Master plug??