Ravelco Saves The Day

[Phillytrx]

Not one bit because if they had the knowledge to do this then it would have been done in the the early 90’s when canbus was getting big and their ravelco vehicles were being stolen. It took me and another IGLA dealer to finally out them for their years of lies and deception. If you call their headquarters they will say our videos are staged and its impossible to bypass but…. They made an add on that they will install for free that will prevent us from bypassing it so easy at the plug. Does that make sense to you? More lies and deception. Impossible to bypass but they will install something to stop us sounds like they are lying to everyone yet again.
Yes I will get my hands on one and make a video… again

They sound like the Democrat party.

 

[702TRX702]

Ravelco seems better than NOTHING if it’s already installed. Not every single thief is going to know what it is.

 

[Air’d outSRT]

Ravelco seems better than NOTHING if it’s already installed. Not every single thief is going to know what it is.

You are correct, any added deterrent is better than sitting naked.

 

[Air’d outSRT]

It is, but until there's some actual info. about this enhancement, it's still just vaporware and empty rhetoric. There's nothing about it on their website, and the only discussion about it here has been some vague hypothetical postulates of, "well, it COULD be doing <this>, or it COULD be doing <that>". I hate that kind of bullshit. You don't need to go into super specifics, but something like, "they have included additional wires, re-worked the design of their plug to greatly increase the possible combinations, and added some passive electronics that detect probe attempts and lock out the system".

With IGLA, everyone understands how it works, and why it works so well - without giving away anything about how to defeat it. "It's wired in surreptitiously into the CAN bus of the vehicle and digitally blocks all attempts to start the vehicle or write to any of the attached modules". See - that explains the functionality, and gives potential buyers confidence that the device will do as advertised. Ravelco's word is utter dogshit based on their exaggerations (over 100,000 possible combinations!) and flat-out lies and deception (No Ravelco-equipped vehicle has ever been stolen!), so they get zero benefit of the doubt when they now claim, "New and improved! Even MORE undefeatable than before! Call in the next 5 minutes and we'll DOUBLE our bullshit!"

And remember - I'm a current Ravelco owner. I WANTED to believe that it was a good product. It wasn't until I put my personal bias aside and really looked into what Josh was saying that I realized it was all security theater. Once THAT revelation set in, I went and scheduled an IGLA installation. The Ravelco is still installed, though I hardly ever use it anymore.

If they openly say they have an add on to stop one of the bypass methods then that’s admitting to the lies told for decades and opens them up to a class action for not only those stolen but those sold.

 

[Rammit]

But but but, you have insurance!! I always literally laugh out loud when I read some idiot say that, “I have insurance”, yup and you won’t afterwards and if you do your premiums are higher and they won’t insure that vehicle again, see it all the time.

Exactly right. They did pay pretty well but I did have to argue to get what I felt was fair. The problem is the 22 that I ordered from grainger that I got a fantastic deal was all gone. Still got a good deal from grainger but the same optioned truck was almost 15k more for a 23 thanks to Chrysler continuing to raise prices through the roof. Ass on top of that the accessories that they don’t pay for and it sucks. I’m sure my rates will go up too even though this wasn’t my fault.

 

[Snowbaruu]

Share whatever you like, which is exactly what I am doing. Anytime I see anything on Ravelco, I feel obligated to make sure people on this forum know exactly how bad of a product it is and how unresponsive the company is. I wish I had known that before. If I had I would still have my original truck and wouldn’t have had to spend thousands out of my own pocket to replace it.

Yet when I do:
Hey guys Ravelco has a free enhancement for probing attacks at the plug ..
"wake up and stop defending them... snakeoil... deception' lol

When your truck was stolen, what exactly did you want them to do? Apologize? Help you find the truck? Give your money back? It would be nice for them to do that sure, but unless they have a money back guarantee I wouldn't expect it. If you were them what would you do? Close your business? Tell everyone 'hey our products shit, don't buy it'? They're behaving exactly the way I would expect a business to behave. I'm not surprised. With stories like this it makes sense why they improved their system. But yeh sure, wish you would have had IGLA man.

But but but, you have insurance!! I always literally laugh out loud when I read some idiot say that, “I have insurance”, yup and you won’t afterwards and if you do your premiums are higher and they won’t insure that vehicle again, see it all the time.

Dude, you're a vendor and you just called those who could be your future potential customers, who don't yet share your point of view, 'idiots'. Nice one there.

It is, but until there's some actual info. about this enhancement, it's still just vaporware and empty rhetoric. There's nothing about it on their website, and the only discussion about it here has been some vague hypothetical postulates of, "well, it COULD be doing <this>, or it COULD be doing <that>". I hate that kind of bullshit. You don't need to go into super specifics, but something like, "they have included additional wires, re-worked the design of their plug to greatly increase the possible combinations, and added some passive electronics that detect probe attempts and lock out the system".

With IGLA, everyone understands how it works, and why it works so well - without giving away anything about how to defeat it. "It's wired in surreptitiously into the CAN bus of the vehicle and digitally blocks all attempts to start the vehicle or write to any of the attached modules". See - that explains the functionality, and gives potential buyers confidence that the device will do as advertised. Ravelco's word is utter dogshit based on their exaggerations (over 100,000 possible combinations!) and flat-out lies and deception (No Ravelco-equipped vehicle has ever been stolen!), so they get zero benefit of the doubt when they now claim, "New and improved! Even MORE undefeatable than before! Call in the next 5 minutes and we'll DOUBLE our bullshit!"

And remember - I'm a current Ravelco owner. I WANTED to believe that it was a good product. It wasn't until I put my personal bias aside and really looked into what Josh was saying that I realized it was all security theater. Once THAT revelation set in, I went and scheduled an IGLA installation. The Ravelco is still installed, though I hardly ever use it anymore.

Define rhetoric.. Me providing information on an improvement they're offering to existing customers is not rhetoric, its just information. Same with vaporware, can you define that? If it were vaporware it would not be available for install. I have both systems too and if you have already come to the conclusion the enhancement is vaporware and empty rhetoric, that's personal bias.. I'm not saying it works, but it exists. And that is what it is claimed to do. I open to evidence how effective it is either way. This is what it looks like to remove personal bias.

The facts are Ravelco does not work

This is not a statement of fact. So long as cases like this OP exist where it has prevented theft, this statement cannot be logically true. By any metric, where it has prevented a theft I would not consider it a bad product. It is becoming less effective sure. But so long as having it, is better than not, remains true, I don't have a problem with them.

 

[Air’d outSRT]

Dude, you're a vendor and you just called those who could be your future potential customers, who don't yet share your point of view, 'idiots'. Nice one there.

If you read it correctly then you would see that those individuals saying “I have insurance” are not anyones customers, its kinda in the statement “I have insurance” which states they don’t have and will not add any protection. Not sure how you missed it but to each their own.
When some says said statement not only are they screwing themselves but also all others because it raises everyone’s premiums

 

[Snowbaruu]

If you read it correctly then you would see that those individuals saying “I have insurance” are not anyones customers, its kinda in the statement “I have insurance” which states they don’t have and will not add any protection. Not sure how you missed it but to each their own.
When some says said statement not only are they screwing themselves but also all others because it raises everyone’s premiums

I didn't miss it, that's exactly my point. If they are not anyone's customer, then they qualify as YOUR target market as a vendor. They are literally yours to win over. Calling them 'idiots' doesn't help. And they definitely won't want to add any protection after being spoken to like that. Do you not want their business?

If someone says that, it not their fault if they don't know any better. How about help them nicely. They are not the enemy. Thieves are raising the premiums not them. I don't know when it makes sense to blame the victims of theft for raising premiums. "hey my truck got stolen". "Should have gotten IGLA idiot!" lol like what?

 

[JPV96]

I have been on this forum from the beginning with my 2021 TRX. I have read numerous posts about security and thefts. I have done alot of research on all the security options. Various layers ... everything to slow down the thief or make them give up. Things like relocation of the horn, kill switches, removing fuses, cameras, and many others. We are all here because we love the TRX and none of us want to read about more TRX stolen.

As for @Air’d outSRT yes he is very passionate about IGLA. Yes he may work for them or whatever his actual stake is but he is looking out for us owners. There is no denying that IGLA currently works and is superior. He has a just reason for what he says. He says it how it is. On another side he is here. He is present on the forums. He answers questions and concerns. He is always trying to stay ahead with the security, and having add-ons. It is nice to have someone that can listen when there are issues.

When IGLA is defeated I am sure Josh will be working to stay ahead and keep us protected or there will be a new next best option.

It is good to compare and discuss different security measures. This forum has a wealth of knowledge. We all want to keep the TRX protected from theives. We are all here looking out for each other. Figuring out how the TRX is stolen and what we can do to protect ourselves.

 

[Air’d outSRT]

I didn't miss it, that's exactly my point. If they are not anyone's customer, then they qualify as YOUR target market as a vendor. They are literally yours to win over. Calling them 'idiots' doesn't help. And they definitely won't want to add any protection after being spoken to like that. Do you not want their business?

If someone says that, it not their fault if they don't know any better. How about help them nicely. They are not the enemy. Thieves are raising the premiums not them. I don't know when it makes sense to blame the victims of theft for raising premiums. "hey my truck got stolen". "Should have gotten IGLA idiot!" lol like what?

You are right, I apologize. In the end they aren’t my customer. I don’t get paid to get others to dealers for installs. Only my own installs and shipping IGLA to my dealers/distributors (totally different pricing for each). What I make is minuscule in comparison to an install. You are right and that was bad verbiage. I will refrain from it in the future.

Josh

 

[Snowbaruu]

You are right, I apologize. In the end they aren’t my customer. I don’t get paid to get others to dealers for installs. Only my own installs and shipping IGLA to my dealers/distributors (totally different pricing for each). What I make is minuscule in comparison to an install. You are right and that was bad verbiage. I will refrain from it in the future.

Josh

Good stuff mate. We have common ground. You might be a good bloke after all. Sorry for questioning your motives. Keep it up and I wish your business every success.

 

[Rammit]

I’m not sure why @Snowbaruu is getting so upset. People come to this forum to get good advice. Ravelco may have once been a good option at one point but now is no more effective than the club. People who want to keep their truck need to know what options they have. Ravelco may be an option, but it is not effective.
Yes, I would figure a company who states “never been defeated” would stand behind their product. They obviously do not.
@Air’d outSRT may sell IGLA but he is here actively answering questions and involved in this community. He gives out his personal number to anyone who asks and has no problem answering texts, phone calls or instant messages. He made no money off of my IGLA purchase but still took time on several different occasions to help answer my concerns. I’m glad he is here and passionate about his product that he represents. If his product didn’t work, he couldn’t and wouldn’t be on here, plain and simple.
There may come a time when IGLA is not effective. When and if that time comes I sure hope people are on this site warning the community and educating us on what to do next.

 

[Snowbaruu]

I’m not sure why @Snowbaruu is getting so upset. People come to this forum to get good advice. Ravelco may have once been a good option at one point but now is no more effective than the club. People who want to keep there truck need to know what options they have. Ravelco may be an option, but it is not effective.
Yes, I would figure a company who states “never been defeated” would stand behind their product. They obviously do not.
@Air’d outSRT may sell IGLA but he is here actively answering questions and involved in this community. He gives out his personally number to anyone who asks and has no problem answering texts, phone calls or instant messages. He made no money off of my IGLA purchase but still took time on several different occasions to help answer my concerns. I’m glad he is here and passionate about his product that he represents. If his product didn’t work, he couldn’t and wouldn’t be on here plains and simple.
There may come a time when IGLA is not effective. When and if that time comes I sure hope people are on this site warning the community and educating us on what to do next.

Dude.. read the room lol

What have I said to make you think I'm upset? Ravelco is more effective than a club? Is that a fact or an opinion? If it's a fact, do you have data to back that up?

 

[Air’d outSRT]

Dude.. read the room lol

What have I said to make you think I'm upset? Ravelco is more effective than a club? Is that a fact or an opinion? If it's a fact, do you have data to back that up?

Not trying to be that guy again but its about the same if you have both objects in front of you and the means to defeat both. 10 seconds to remove a club manually and about the same for a ravelco. Both objects require you to either relay the key signal or to delete and make a new key so the other steps are irrelevant. He was just using it as an example of both items effectiveness. More thieves will have the tools for the club than a ravelco so thats the only advantage.

 

[Snowbaruu]

Not trying to be that guy again but its about the same if you have both objects in front of you and the means to defeat both. 10 seconds to remove a club manually and about the same for a ravelco. Both objects require you to either relay the key signal or to delete and make a new key so the other steps are irrelevant. He was just using it as an example of both items effectiveness. More thieves will have the tools for the club than a ravelco so thats the only advantage.

I hear you. However, I don't see how this is viewed as true yet, if the enhancement hasn't been tested. It might be an example, but its a blanket statement that's dismissive of the efficacy of something that's unknown. Is it a known fact that the enhancement is no more effective the a club??

 

[Air’d outSRT]

I hear you. However, I don't see how this is viewed as true yet, if the enhancement hasn't been tested. It might be an example, but its a blanket statement that's dismissive of the efficacy of something that's unknown. Is it a known fact that the enhancement is no more effective the a club??

He never mentioned the “enhancement” at all and was referencing the “never been defeated 0 stolen” ravelco that they now need an “enhancement” for because it is easily bypassed. See the lovely irony in that logic . But seriously, he was referring to the actual ravelco that was on his vehicle when it was bypassed on camera and driven away.

 

[Mud Rat]

You are correct, any added deterrent is better than sitting naked.

I'm shocked! I've never heard Josh make this admission before. I've been arguing this point with him since he arrived on the forum, to no avail. He must be getting filled with the Christmas spirit early or something.

 

[Snowbaruu]

He never mentioned the “enhancement” at all and was referencing the “never been defeated 0 stolen” ravelco that they now need an “enhancement” for because it is easily bypassed. See the lovely irony in that logic . But seriously, he was referring to the actual ravelco that was on his vehicle when it was bypassed on camera and driven away.

That's an issue. How many times have I mentioned the enhancement in this thread? So were back to square one. I may as well go talk to a brick wall. I bring up the enhancement, and the response is "Ravelco may have once been a good option at one point but NOW IS NO MORE EFFECTIVE THAN THE CLUB." ... I literally read this as a general statement about Ravelco in its current state. The enhancement is available now. Is it, or is it not, no more effective than the club?

It's as if the dislike for a product is so deep for some, people are allergic to hearing new information. The existence of an enhancement doesn't bother me. Software has updates, hardware has updates, in all things tech related. That's how things work. What was once effective, now less effective, now with an enhancement=how effective?? It's like a natural cycle of tech. I don't understand why seeing it in real time is so offensive. They either do nothing and eventually die out, or come up with new things to remain relevant.

 

[Air’d outSRT]

I'm shocked! I've never heard Josh make this admission before. I've been arguing this point with him since he arrived on the forum, to no avail. He must be getting filled with the Christmas spirit early or something.

Nah, my days are so busy helping everyone, dealers, distributors, customers, those asking, forums, social media, have a full time job, family, ect ect. Its getting stressful and need to get rid of some stressors before it gets rid of me. I haven’t celebrated xmas in probably 18-20 years and that was just for the kids. Not me at all.
Its a product, it is a deterrent layer. Is it a good one, no but my gripes are not with the product, installers of it (except those that know its easily bypassed like ol’ chuck) or customers that were lied to. My issue is with the blatant lies told since day one and the continuation of such. When they openly admit I am right and stop lying to everyone that calls and says the videos and the several bypasses were fake then I will stop. Won’t happen though.

 

[Air’d outSRT]

That's an issue. How many times have I mentioned the enhancement in this thread? So were back to square one. I may as well go talk to a brick wall. I bring up the enhancement, and the response is "Ravelco may have once been a good option at one point but NOW IS NO MORE EFFECTIVE THAN THE CLUB." ... I literally read this as a general statement about Ravelco in its current state. The enhancement is available now. Is it, or is it not, no more effective than the club?

It's as if the dislike for a product is so deep for some, people are allergic to hearing new information. The existence of an enhancement doesn't bother me. Software has updates, hardware has updates, in all things tech related. That's how things work. What was once effective, now less effective, now with an enhancement=how effective?? It's like a natural cycle of tech. I don't understand why seeing it in real time is so offensive. They either do nothing and eventually die out, or come up with new things to remain relevant.

You may be correct on your assumption but literally nobody knows about the “enhancement” they are doing so that isn’t even part of the conversation. If they openly advertised it and contacted each and every customer past and present and said “we have a major flaw in our wire setup and this update is critical, when can I schedule this totally free update” then the “enhancement” would be in the mix. Unfortunately it is not so his and my statement still stands. He is referring to ravelco, the openly advertised ravelco. Not the behind the scenes lets keep this hush add on so they don’t get sued. Not trying to argue just stating the facts.
Enjoy the rest of your night/morning.
Josh