Coolant pump

[torque beast]

Loophole, dealer printed paperwork showing the supercharger is covered but the pump is not. Guessing because they know it’s a POS

 

[Derric12]

Loophole, dealer printed paperwork showing the supercharger is covered but the pump is not. Guessing because they know it’s a POS

Sorry to hear that man. I can get this one shipped out if you'd like?

 

[GenF-GTS]

If there was a true drop in replacement but superior option, I would definitely go for something like that. I'm just surprised that if it's really an issue with the 6.2L SC motors that something plug and play has not been developed.

Other than the wiring it is a drop in replacement pump.
We cannot use the factory wiring as the factory is PWM controlled, and our pump does not use PWM control.
Even if you did get a PWM controlled aftermarket pump the frequency of the PWM signal will be different to that of the factory pump.

Our pump is the best option for properly fixing the factory pump, other than the fact that you need to disable the factory pump in the tune.
As said however it "may be" possible to trick the factory ECU into thinking the factory pump is installed by the use of a resistor, this can also be easily tested without having to buy our pump. Simply measure the ohm's on a pump that runs, build a resistor from radio shack install the resistor into the electrical plug and start the truck, if you don't throw a check engine light you have tricked the ECU into thinking the pump is installed.

 

[Derric12]

Other than the wiring it is a drop in replacement pump.
We cannot use the factory wiring as the factory is PWM controlled, and our pump does not use PWM control.
Even if you did get a PWM controlled aftermarket pump the frequency of the PWM signal will be different to that of the factory pump.

Our pump is the best option for properly fixing the factory pump, other than the fact that you need to disable the factory pump in the tune.
As said however it "may be" possible to trick the factory ECU into thinking the factory pump is installed by the use of a resistor, this can also be easily tested without having to buy our pump. Simply measure the ohm's on a pump that runs, build a resistor from radio shack install the resistor into the electrical plug and start the truck, if you don't throw a check engine light you have tricked the ECU into thinking the pump is installed.

This is not a good option if the customer is not tuned.

 

[UnloosedChewtoy]

I ended up ordering a F150 V8 and will be installing the Ford Performance supercharger on it (Whipple). Amazingly enough if the dealer does the install, it won't affect the power train warranty. Supposed to end up with 800+ HP. Obviously the TRX is a more capable off-road vehicle, but based on my experience, I'm not willing to chance it when it needs service.

I hope I am wrong, but good luck with the Ford transmission designed for the lower power output handling that higher HP long. And have fun with the other reliability bits related to the newer Coyote engines.

At least it’s not an Egoboost engine, I’ll give you that.

Why isn’t the pump covered by the 5 year/ 60k mile powertrain warranty? Not the 3/36?

The pump is not part of the powertrain. It’s part of the cooling system.

 

[805TRX]

New here and am experiencing my first issue with my 21 TRX. I got the I/C coolant low warning with a check engine light. Took to the dealer and they said I needed a new pump and by the way it’s not covered by warranty. So I had already researched this before taking it in and was expecting that answer since it was not using any coolant. However, my question is, does anyone make a revised pump or an upgrade for this? Hate to buy another POS just to have it go out again. From research I see it is a common problem with these trucks. What are my options?

That's odd man, exact same thing happened to my 23 TRX and the dealership says it's covered under manufacture warranty.

 

[805TRX]

That’s a little dramatic, I definitely didn’t act like it’s the end of the world but I do think it’s ridiculous that I have to replace a coolant pump and possibly carry a spare so I can leave town or rewire my TRX to utilize an aftermarket pump. I don’t think I’m expecting too much when I say there should be a revision for this. Some of these guys didn’t make it 15k miles but if you’re happy with it I’m happy for ya.

Yupp the pump just went out on my 2023 13k miles.

 

[torque beast]

Ya it’s a known issue but each dealership I talked to has never heard of one going out. If you are under the 3 yr 36k it should be covered but it is not covered under drive train warranty. If out of warranty buy one online and change yourself. I did it in 10 minutes. Hopefully aftermarket will come up with a better solution that doesn’t require rewiring and buying a tuner

 

[Russell 2021]

That’s a little dramatic, I definitely didn’t act like it’s the end of the world but I do think it’s ridiculous that I have to replace a coolant pump and possibly carry a spare so I can leave town or rewire my TRX to utilize an aftermarket pump. I don’t think I’m expecting too much when I say there should be a revision for this. Some of these guys didn’t make it 15k miles but if you’re happy with it I’m happy for ya.

Mine is at 20k miles.$3000 for a dealer installed water pump then drove it from Louisiana to Atlanta and issues again!

 

[Russell 2021]

I recently had a similar IC related problem and got the royal runaround from my dealer. 2021 with only 9,500 miles on it. Developed a regular mis-fire every 5-7 seconds with no error codes. Lot of posts on this problem all of which lead back to the IC. So they tell me I have bad fuel and I told them that the truck would run poorly but not have a predictable misfire every 5-seconds. Not much gas in the tank so I told them to drain it but they refused.

There was a low IC coolant code generated while they had it and they added fluid. Obviously if there was a leak, that would have done absolutely nothing, and of course it didn't.

The issue got elevated to the "STARS" level and some engineer at Stelantis was supposed to get back to them. Never happened and they claim they only communicate through email. 2 weeks later with no loaner I decided to sell it back to them. They offered me what I paid which was a surprise but probably related to inflation and the used car market in general.

I've lost confidence in what used to be a great company. I've owned several jeeps of the years and this was my 1st RAM. I ended up ordering a F150 V8 and will be installing the Ford Performance supercharger on it (Whipple). Amazingly enough if the dealer does the install, it won't affect the power train warranty. Supposed to end up with 800+ HP. Obviously the TRX is a more capable off-road vehicle, but based on my experience, I'm not willing to chance it when it needs service.

This is incorrect information YouTube is wrong. When you order the Whipple through Ford as the accessory add-on from the factory the warranty is through Whipple not Ford your Ford warranty is voided. Several dealers warn me Whipple is notorious if you want to make a warranty claim they want your truck on a lift with pictures if you change the exhaust or even all terrain tires will void the Whipple warranty. You cannot trust Ford on the sleeper package YouTube is wrong

 

[alexac9]

from reading this the intercooler pump is not covered by 3yr/36k warranty? Noticed dry coolant residue on my pump today and I just ran out of bumper to bumper warranty truck only has 19k miles

 

[UnloosedChewtoy]

from reading this the intercooler pump is not covered by 3yr/36k warranty? Noticed dry coolant residue on my pump today and I just ran out of bumper to bumper warranty truck only has 19k miles View attachment 155900View attachment 155900View attachment 155900View attachment 155901

The pump is covered by the 3/36 full warranty. It is not covered by the 5/60 powertrain after that.

 

[alexac9]

Anyone happen to have the most updated part number for the intercooler pump?

 

[UnloosedChewtoy]

Anyone happen to have the most updated part number for the intercooler pump?

TRX Replacement Intercooler Pump CWA400 – Fi Interchillers Online Store

Pump suits TRX Sick and tired of the factory intercooler pump? This is the solution you need! The factory pump likes to suck fluid not push like a normal pump, for this reason, the pump actually requires a flow restriction to run! The flow restriction dramatically slows your flow rate which...

fiinterchillers.com

Looks like there are no revisions to the factory part that I can find, they've only ever had this part #:
68430016AA

 

[GenF-GTS]

Based on the number of people who call or email for any of the hellcat platforms, and the number of replacement pumps we send out.
We would estimate the failure rate of these factory pumps to be 60-75%.

We also have been told by multiple people that sometimes they are on to their 2nd factory pump through their dealer and it too has failed.
We keep the replacement pumps for the TRX in stock here in Texas: https://fiinterchillers.com/product/trx-replacement-intercooler-pump-cwa400/

 

[MurderedCat]

Based on the number of people who call or email for any of the hellcat platforms, and the number of replacement pumps we send out.
We would estimate the failure rate of these factory pumps to be 60-75%.

We also have been told by multiple people that sometimes they are on to their 2nd factory pump through their dealer and it too has failed.
We keep the replacement pumps for the TRX in stock here in Texas: https://fiinterchillers.com/product/trx-replacement-intercooler-pump-cwa400/

This requires a tune to clear the CEL correct?

 

[GenF-GTS]

This requires a tune to clear the CEL correct?

That is correct you disable the pump in the tune, see attached.
If the concern is factory warranty order a new PCM from HP Tuners and do the tune on that PCM.

 

[IdahoKTM]

Based on the number of people who call or email for any of the hellcat platforms, and the number of replacement pumps we send out.
We would estimate the failure rate of these factory pumps to be 60-75%.

We also have been told by multiple people that sometimes they are on to their 2nd factory pump through their dealer and it too has failed.
We keep the replacement pumps for the TRX in stock here in Texas: https://fiinterchillers.com/product/trx-replacement-intercooler-pump-cwa400/

Based on the threads about failed I/C pumps on this forum, a 60-75% failure rate seems very high.

You have a nice looking pump, too bad it's not plug and play. If my pump failed, I wouldn't think twice about spending $785 vs. $450 for the OEM pump, but adding another $600 for a PCM + ??$$ for a tune makes it a deal breaker.

 

[MurderedCat]

Based on the threads about failed I/C pumps on this forum, a 60-75% failure rate seems very high.

You have a nice looking pump, too bad it's not plug and play. If my pump failed, I wouldn't think twice about spending $785 vs. $450 for the OEM pump, but adding another $600 for a PCM + ??$$ for a tune makes it a deal breaker.

Yeah, @alexac9 wants the upgrade but wants to avoid tuning. It would be nice if there was a more streamlined option for an upgrade.

Although I keep trying to convince him to just get a DT 877 package and the pump lol.

 

[Nick797]

That is correct you disable the pump in the tune, see attached.
If the concern is factory warranty order a new PCM from HP Tuners and do the tune on that PCM.

That is bad advice, mileage mismatch on PCM compared to other modules will throw a red flag to any dealer tech with a brain who doesn't want to do warranty work (99 percent of them).

For others:

GMB the OE manufacture, after a few years released the Hellcat version to the public at a fraction of the cost of the OEM one. I am sure they will do the same for the TRX in the future.

Currently the hellcat model looks like they are releasing an updated SKU (Which won't fit a TRX as they are rotated and the one connection is a 90 v a straight.) but for reference.

https://gmb.net/product/120-4510/ OLD

https://gmb.net/product/120-9040/ New